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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Sydney Metro stations

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Nominator(s): Steelkamp (talk) 06:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list of stations on the newest and only rapid transit system in Australia. The Sydney Metro only opened in 2019, but there are plans to rapidly expand it over the next decade, causing the largest part of the list to be the future stations section. This would be my first featured list and WikiProject Australian Transport's first featured list if it passes. As the Sydney Metro is quite new, its far easier to find sources and write a featured list than on many older systems, which is why I chose to do this list as my first featured list candidate. I welcome any feedback. Steelkamp (talk) 06:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "The Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport is planned to open in 2026 upon the opening of the Western Sydney Airport.[6][9] The Western Sydney Airport line will have six new metro stations.[10] The Sydney Metro West is planned to open in 2030. This section will have nine new stations, all of which will be underground" - these four sentences are quite short and choppy and I think the first two and last two could be combined, by using "and will have"
  • Original opening dates for Chatswood and Epping don't seem to be sourced.....?
  • That's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:23, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review. I have implemented these suggestions. Steelkamp (talk) 09:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Personally I would remove the notes column and simply add a notes section at bottom (using {{#tag:ref| and notelist). My reasoning is that most stations don't have any notes and some are triplicated (all three could link to a single note). Same with second list, one note is repeated 6 times (!!!). This will make it a cleaner looking tables, and not looking like random factoids for some stations.
    • I have instead created a transfers column and put the original opening dates as notes. How is that?
  • I'm confused at the missing lines column for the second table, could that not include transfers instead of having them in the notes?
    • For the first table, the lines column only lists the Sydney Metro line at each station, not the Sydney Trains lines or NSW TrainLink lines, which is just a list design choice on my part seeing as this is a list focused on the Sydney Metro. I don't want to do a lines column for the second table because we have no idea what the lines are going to be called when those sections open. The Sydney Metro City & Southwest project is going to be served by an extension of the Metro North West Line, but I would be very surprised if that name does not change when the City & Southwest project opens in 2024 and 2025 considering the direction would be contradictory. As for the Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport and Sydney Metro West, those projects don't even have a separate page for the lines yet which means there is nothing to list in that column for the stations on those projects.
  • Is there any information on ridership? This would make for an interesting column
    • I haven't been able to find any complete data on ridership for each station. I have asked another user if they know of any source for this data though.
  • Is there any symbol used for the lines, this is common for many list of stations to help readers connect what they see in real life to the list.
    • No distinct symbols or colours for each line yet. Currently, there is File:TfNSW M.svg, but that is only used to distinguish the one currently open metro line with the Sydney Trains lines.
  • Changes all look good, I'm close to support, just a few more minor quibbles:
  • I changed the formatting of the legend using the legend template, I made the change myself, is this ok?
    • That looks good. I didn't even know that template existed.
  • I would move the map at the top to the section called "future stations" (justified right) and include a map of current stations at the top of the page. This will prevent confusion.
    • That would require making a new map. I will try to make an interactive map using Template:Maplink and OpenStreetMap, but that will be a few days away.
      • While this would be ideal for a featured list, even just moving the map with future stations to beside the future stations table would be sufficient. Mattximus (talk) 02:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the first sentence of the last paragraph should be at the end of the first paragraph. The article is about stations so stations and station numbers should be mentioned in the first paragraph.
    • Good point. I have done that.
  • The second sentence of the last paragraph needs some grammatical work. Instead of " It is planned that", it can be. "There are x stations and x km of track under construction with a planned opening of 2030" or something like that.
    • I have reworded this sentence. How is it now?
      • Much better than my wording even.
@Mattximus: I have tried to create a map from OSM, but the Sydney Metro West and Western Sydney Airport projects are not OSM right now which means this option is out of the question. If we are to keep the current image, I think the lead is still the best spot for it as the lead goes over the whole list, including current and future stations. Plus at least on my screen, having an image within the future stations section would make the table considerably squished, so I don't think its a good idea to have an image there. Steelkamp (talk) 07:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I still disagree about the map, all other suggestions and changes were met. Well done on the article! Support Mattximus (talk) 21:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Station becomes !scope=col | Station. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | [[Bella Vista railway station|Bella Vista]] becomes !scope=row | [[Bella Vista railway station|Bella Vista]]. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 21:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the review! All those changes have been made. Steelkamp (talk) 06:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 16:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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