Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Cook (songwriter)

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The result was delete. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 01:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Cook (songwriter)

No evidence of notability, and totally unsourced. His employers may be notable (both have articles), but that doesn't mean that everyone on their payroll is. This material was originally posted directly to the Steve Cook disambiguation page, for some reason (complete with categories and a stub tag!). I moved it into a proper stub article, but really feel that it should probably just be removed, unless the subject can be shown to be notable with multiple, independent, reliable sources. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Actually, the page Steve Cook was originally a stub about the cyclist. The author of the songwriter material simply nuked that stub in favor of his/her own, and someone later converted it into a DAB page. I have restored the original stub, with additional sourced material, to Steve Cook (cyclist), as he appears to be genuinely notable as a Mountain Bike Hall of Famer. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: If Steve Cook (songwriter) is deleted, he should be removed from the Steve Cook DAB page. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:43, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unless the author(s) can come up with some sources that establish notability per WP:MUSIC §FreeRangeFrog 21:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, article fails to establish notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching pulls up no reliable, third-party, sources. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 23:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Song-writers tend to get little praise for their work unless they are the ones to sing it as well. Still, a songwriter would meet WP:CREATIVE if they wrote a notable song. Rather than featuring on the negative aspects of the current articles, someone with access should check if he wrote any. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: "Access" to what? BTW, the article credits him with a single song, which does not appear to be a notable one. The Google results I've looked at for "Before the Throne" all lead to an 1800s song by someone else and various other uses of the phrase, not Cook's song. I do agree that songwriters are often sidelined, and also understand the idea that WP:CREATIVE might be the better subject-specific notability guideline to apply, not WP:MUSIC. But I'm skeptical that this subject would pass that one either. Right now, this article doesn't pass even the basic Primary Notability Criterion in WP:N, so I don't see how it is going to pass more stringent topical tests. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PS: More searching turns up various sites crediting his wife, Vikki Cook, with the song, while others confuse his/her/their song with the one from the 1860s ("Before the Throne of God Above", by Charitie Bancroft and William Bradbury). Some get really confused, and credit it to Vikki Cook and Charitie Bancroft! I guess this is evidence of time travel. :-) Also found the Cooks' personal website. Still nothing independent and reliable. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: no independent reliable sources WP:MUSICBIO. JamesBurns (talk) 05:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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