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The result was keep. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear consensus in favor of keeping the article, sustained by the consideration that the existing and added sources are enough to support inclusion of a topic that is obscure but addresses a historically significant population. BD2412 T 02:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assyrian Academic Society

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Fails WP:NORG as there is no significant coverage in reliable, independent sources found. (t · c) buidhe 06:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • weak keep it seems like they published a Journal of Assyrian Academic Studies for a while, which I think adds to notability. Since this is an academic society, independent sources are not really required and their lack is no reason to delete the article. --hroest 21:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hannes Röst, First, WP:NOTINHERITED, so the existence of that journal is irrelevant (also, it does not appear to meet WP:NJOURNAL. And which, pray tell, policy tells us that "Since this is an academic society, independent sources are not really required"? I'd be very interested in seeing it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • There is a general agreement in WP:NPROF for academics (which I extended here for academic societies) that independent sources are not required, this especially after the Donna Strickland disaster. Often academic societies do not have strong coverage in popular media, however that by itself does not make them non-notable (they can of course still be non-notable). I was just point out this fact, however of course that does not make every society notable without question. --hroest 15:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article was in need of improvement, so I added some referenced content. The organization in question is notable enough to have an article, so I am voting against deletion. Sorabino (talk) 05:08, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sources you cite (such as letter from the association's president[1]) are not independent from the society, and do not count for notability, except perhaps the Khoshaba & Benjamin source which appears to be a passing mention. Academic organizations are not exempt from notability requirements. (t · c) buidhe 05:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see, additional referenced content was recently added, on AAS programs and activities related to cooperation with USA institutions and officials in improving minority rights of Assyrians in Iraq. Sorabino (talk) 06:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. I am relatively sympathetic to the argument that NORG needs to be more inclusive of NGOs and scholarly institutions, but I'd like to see at least a single sentence in an independent, reliable source that says this NGOs has been significant for something. All I see is that it exists, publishes a journal, maybe few books and so on. That's, I am afraid, 'business as usual'. WP:NOTACATALOGUE, NOTYELLOWPAGES, etc. If nobody out there bothered to publish a single sentence about this organization, what makes it encyclopedic? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Fortunately, there are such references in the article, so there is no need for deletion. Good will is needed, based on fair assessments of the content. Sorabino (talk) 09:50, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They are listed in the article, I added them myself. Sorabino (talk) 03:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Piotrus, as stated above, I added some referenced content, you can see my edits in the edit history. As a possible alternative to complete deletion of content, would you support a merger of the content on AAS (as a USA based Assyrian cultural organization) in the "Culture" section of the article on Assyrian Americans, or you are still in favor of complete deletion? Sorabino (talk) 03:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Piotrus, if I understand you correctly, you are not supporting complete deletion of the content on AAS, and would accept its merger as a subsection in the "Culture" section of the Assyrian Americans article, also leaving a redirect to that location? Sorabino (talk) 03:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Piotrus, my first preferred option is still to keep the article. I added some new referenced content. Also, there are various sources reporting on cooperation between AAS and some specialized UN organizations, with support of some the USA government. This organization is notable enough to have its own article. Lets see what would be the outcome of this process. So far, I do not see any real support for the proposed deletion. Sorabino (talk) 05:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I think the references are good enough. As a minority ethnic group, these types of pages should be a little less restricted in my opinion than organizations that cater to larger populations. Assyrians are one of the oldest ethnicities of the world still around, and are scattered around in the Middle East, mostly Iraq and Iran. Expertwikiguy (talk) 10:19, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak delete. Like Piotrus I am sympathetic to minority organizations, but in the end we need more than in-passing mentions to build an article from. I sampled several of the independent sources and none went past the in-passing. I also tried to find a homepage for this organization, but failed to find one, so we can't even source non-controversial info to their own website (apart from some web-archived stuff). The last post on their Facebook page dates back to 2010. Unless some more "meaty" sources can be found, I don't see how we can make an article here. --Randykitty (talk) 16:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Randykitty, thank you for raising those questions; the answers are provided in recent improvements of this article. Please, would you take another look? The traditional role of AAS as an academic and minority organization of Assyrian Americans is today (since 2019) performed by the "Assyrian Studies Association" (ASA). Since this article contains sourced information that is very relevant for the culture of Assyrian Americans in general, would you support any other solution, other that complete deletion? Sorabino (talk) 03:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. as part of our attempts at covering the entire world. It's appropriate that we make some degree of wider interpretation for less covered areas and aspects. DGG ( talk ) 05:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Appears to satisfy WP:GNG based on the references in the article.4meter4 (talk) 01:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Keep votes claiming this passes gng don’t discuss the sourcing and its asserted they are deficient. Consensus would be easier to understand with a source analysis of what we have.
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:16, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Lee Watkins III

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This article was previously PRODed by another editor, which was removed without explanation by an IP with no other edits. Watkins wears a lot of hats, as shown by the lead's first sentence; however, I don't think any of them are significant enough to meet the notability standards. I'll go through several critiera:

  • Politician: Fails WP:NPOL as a current candidate for U.S. Senate in 2022 who has not previously held elected office (he received 6.5% of the Democratic primary vote in a 2018 House race). Pretty much all of his coverage in independent sources is related to his Senate campaign announcement. For an election that's 20 months away with a primary that's barely begun, simply entering the race is not enough to confer notability.
  • Academic: Fails WP:NACADEMIC — standard work at the graduate and postdoc level, did not continue to pursue research beyond postdoc
  • Entrepreneur: Founded SPAN Inc., a nonprofit that does not meet Wikipedia's standard of notability

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  • Delete. People do not get articles just for standing as candidates in elections they did not win — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable political office, not just running for one — but this article fails to demonstrate that he has preexisting notability for other reasons independent of the candidacy, since it's referenced entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability and shows not one whit of real reliable source coverage or analysis about his prior career. Bearcat (talk) 17:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Concur with nom, I don't see anything that makes the subject notable. Jeepday (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Per nom. article does not show any sign of notability. Alex-h (talk) 07:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails GNG and both applicable SNGs. The clearly professionally taken photo of the subject in the "smiling with arms crossed stance" tends to be a dead giveaway in terms of COI/PAID as well. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination.--Mpen320 (talk) 23:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. per nom. --Devokewater 05:42, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Ignoring the personal attacks and aspersions of editors' motivations, I note that several sources were uncovered that were not refuted by those !voting "delete". Randykitty (talk) 16:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Qazi Shibli

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Trivial mention in Time, apart from that no other wp:rs, all sources mostly from kashmiri news agencies which are highly manipulated by these journalists. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 07:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Time never is a trivial mention, and it is not right for you to assume that Kashmir journalists are being manipulated whom I think you should apologize to. As you say on your user page, you edit with a Pro-India sentiment for articles related to Kashmir.--Lohen11 (talk) 07:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Shibli was ranked fifth on Time's list (not a local little newspaper) of "10 most urgent threats to press freedom." You want to make the article disappear to deny a reality of this state.--Lohen11 (talk) 11:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Notability requires "multiple" examples of "significant" coverage. A single mention in a listcruft article with no real byline that is clearly a piece of propaganda against American geopolitical enemies doesn't count as significant. Every other source is just reporting on him being jailed or being released. That isn't enough to make him inherently notable as it isn't significant coverage. Macktheknifeau (talk) 07:59, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: The nominator has a bias regarding articles related to Kashmir as stated on their user page. Seemplez {{ping}} me 09:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seemplez, Ive mentioned that i might sometimes ' ' ' edit ' ' ' with a pro indian sentiment, that clearly doesn't mean that i put up these article for deletion because of it. There are 100's and 1000's of other article's out there related to kashmir, if i was biased to kashmiri article's i'd have posted all of them for deletion.I Check thoroughly the article's before putting them up for AfD, If i was biased i could've PRODded or CSD'd them. I am trying to clean up the wikiproject:jammu and kashmir, and clearly i've nominated multiple article's earlier which were unfit for mainspace and hence deleted. Please read WP:NPA and WP:AGF. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 10:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jammumylove, this is neither a personal attack nor an assumption of faith. You have disclosed a bias on your user page and I have transcluded it here. Also your point that you don't have a bias because you didn't put every Kashmir related article up for deletion isn't really a point. You have disclosed a bias in editing. Why wouldn't your bias extend to AfD? Seemplez {{ping}} me 11:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You have been nominating a lot of Kashmir related articles/articles about Kashmiris today. Seemplez {{ping}} me 11:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seemplez, As mentioned i'm trying to clean up the unfit article's. There are plenty of them that don't fit the encyclopaedia 's standard and must be removed or corrected. What's wrong in there? I've done the same earlier as well not just today, check my AfD history. Why are you making it like a PA? -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 11:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seemplez, My Bias wouldn't extend to AfD because i properly write why it just be deleted. i don't give out biased opinions, i state the WP policies. and i am a human as well i make mistakes sometimes while nominating but i immediately rectify them and withdraw my nom. This article clearly has no Significant Coverage and hence i've nom it for AfD. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 11:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jammumylove, I do not wish to continue this. Happy editing. Seemplez {{ping}} me 12:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment By Nominator: By Manipulation of these article's i meant that the source are from local jammu kashmir based media agencies and these journalists can easily get themselves posted on there. There are no proper significant WP:RS. Also this article looks more of an WP:BLP1E i-e Significant for the Arrest of Qazi Shibli. And it can be redirected to it just like Arrest of Kamran Yusuf if not deleted. Also the only WP:RS Time Has no byline. Thanks. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 10:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Despite having some concerns regarding this subject's notability, I strongly recommend not to have any assumptions like Kashmir journalists are being manipulated. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 07:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kashmorwiki either read things properly or kindly don’t misinterpret. I’ve clearly written that these kashmiri media houses can be easily manipulated by these journalists. Not what you’re saying.-- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 13:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jammumylove,I havent misinterprated what you said. all sources mostly from kashmiri news agencies which are highly manipulated by these journalists ; this is your comment. You havent said they can be manipulated. You just said they are being manipulated. So its clear who is actually trying to misinterpret the statements. Do you have any evidence to prove your assumption? If dont,please dont make such type of comments in AFD's. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 14:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kashmorwiki, you’ve written that Kashmir journalists are being manipulated and I’ve written all sources mostly from kashmiri news agencies which are highly manipulated by these journalists the difference can be spotted b/w these two by anyone who can read English which I doubt you can’t. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 16:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jammumylove, whether it is mostly or leastly or whatever it may be,I just wanted to say that you made up such type of baseless argument in an AFD. And in this encyclopedia, you dont have the right to say that they are manipulated unless you provide reliable sources or any other means as proof. Finally, such type of arguments should not be used in AFD discussions and this encylopedia is not a place to show your Pro india sentiments against its policies. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 16:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kashmorwiki, There’s no way that could prove the internal things with these kashmiri media agencies but being from jammu and kashmir i know how easily jammu and kashmir based media agencies are manipulated. And moreover i never tried to push this as the reason for the AfD, My reason is simple, this article doesn’t have WP:RS and if it has kindly show, or maybe research and add them to this article I’d be happy to withdraw the nom. But until then it’s clearly evident that this article is eligible for AfD, and yes my pro Indian sentiments have nothing to do with this, i never said that kashmiri articles should be deleted for no reason. I have withdrawn many AfD related to kashmir just because they later were improved to be fit on pedia but this one isn’t at this version.-- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 19:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Not notable person to have a BLP in WP.Kolma8 (talk) 12:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:SIGCOV. Particularly significant is a peer reviewed journal article which focuses on Shibli in more detail: Bilal Ahmad Pandow (September 2020). ""The idea is to kill journalism": Kashmiri journalists on what it's like working under lockdown, an internet blackout and a new draconian media law". Index On Censorship. 49 (3): 17-19. The Time article is also significant and there are other sources which I will list here. See Christian Science Monitor, Mint (newspaper), and "India: Abuses Persist in Jammu and Kashmir". Asia News Monitor. August 5, 2020.. All put together and this meets GNG. Appologies for no urls for some of the sources, but I accessed them through my university library and they are not available for free online. 4meter4 (talk) 01:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As stated earlier, the most significant sources are the peer reviewed journal article and the feature in Time. Neither of those are trivial mentions (no matter how much you insist otherwise), and support WP:SIGCOV. The fact that international press in multiple continents is interested enough in this journalist to mention him in context to world events in addition to these two significant sources is enough to satisfy WP:GNG in my opinion. Lastly, you seem to have a WP:POV agenda here which may be impacting your editorial judgment.4meter4 (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 4meter4, I Don't have a WP:POV agenda here, i am speaking on facts only. WP:SIGCOV states that Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail I don't see any of the WP:RS covering this subject in detail. They do cover his arrest in detail and i've suggested that as well. This might certainly seem as WP:POV but you can check my AfD history,Being the nom it's my responsibility to discuss and I always reply to all the comments made to discuss things in detail. And moreover my POV won't be considered, because the closing admin's would obviously be more experienced than me to decide whether my comments made make sense or not. Also as far as Time Is considered, Macktheknifeau has already stated that above Notability requires "multiple" examples of "significant" coverage. A single mention in a listcruft article with no real byline that is clearly a piece of propaganda against American geopolitical enemies doesn't count as significant. Closing this discussion now. Peace. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 15:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I read that assessment and I disagree with the characterization. The Time article is clearly divided into 10 sections with headings profiling 10 individuals. One of those headings, and it’s succeeding section is devoted to Qazi Shibli. That’s not a trivial mention, but a featured profile. The fact that the magazine chose to simply biline the entire article with TIME Staff is not surprising or unusual in this kind of article, but it doesn’t change the fact that the article would have gone through TIME’s well respected fact checking and editorial review process, and therefore doesn’t diminish the quality or verifiability or significance of the work as a piece of evidence.4meter4 (talk) 16:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete the article, i am a notable and famous journalist from jammu and kashmir and founder of the kashmiriyat which is the most famous media agency in kashmir, people use wikipedia to read and know about me. Do not delete this. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4050:2D8D:3916:6159:30D1:6F74:9CBA (talk) 07:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Not notable, why are we even using the news-site he's associated for an article on him. -- Eatcha 05:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Needs multiple independent sources giving significant coverage- he has one and several local ones he may be connected to. Perhaps a WP:TOOSOON, but not currently notable. Nightenbelle (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to closer. The offline peer reviewed journal article I cited above is a significant source. The deletion votes have not accounted for the offline reference when weighing WP:SIGCOV. That and the the Time story in addition to the global press coverage is enough to meet the multiple sources requirement of GNG in my opinion.4meter4 (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Content is irrelevant for determining notability at AfD; limited evidence of BEFORE process. Extensive, multiyear, indepth coverage available,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] discussed by Amnesty International[9] and in the 2020 Freedom House annual review.[10] UCS, easily meets the GNG.

References

  1. ^ "Kashmir: Missing Journalist Sums Up Total Breakdown Of Democracy". HuffPost. 18 September 2019.
  2. ^ Malik, Irfan Amin (6 May 2020). "Why Are Kashmiri Prisoners Happy About Coronavirus Pandemic?". TheQuint.
  3. ^ "India: Police detain Kashmiriyat editor Qazi Shibli / IFJ". International Federation of Journalists. 3 August 2020.
  4. ^ "Indian Journalists Union Demands Scribe Qazi Shibli Be Released From Custody". The Wire. 3 August 2020.
  5. ^ "South Kashmir-based editor, journalist, Qazi Shibli, again detained by Indian police: IIOJK". Associated Press Of Pakistan. 1 August 2020.
  6. ^ "Jammu and Kashmir police launch investigations into 3 journalists". Committee to Protect Journalists. 22 February 2021.
  7. ^ "Plan for Cyber Volunteers to Police India's Internet Draws Criticism | Voice of America - English". www.voanews.com. 25 February 2021.
  8. ^ Pandow, Bilal Ahmad (1 September 2020). ""The idea is to kill journalism": Kashmiri journalists on what it's like working under lockdown, an internet blackout and a new draconian media law". Index on Censorship. 49 (3): 17–19. doi:10.1177/0306422020958271.
  9. ^ "JAMMU AND KASHMIR AFTER ONE YEAR OF ABROGATION OF ARTICLE 370" (PDF). Indians For Amnesty International Trust. 2020.
  10. ^ Freedom in the World 2020: The Annual Survey of Political Rights and Civil Liberties. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 1372. ISBN 978-1-5381-5181-5.
Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Goldsztajn, limited evidence of BEFORE? how? I've already commented above that the subject Shibli does have SIGCOV but for just one event i-e his arrest which would be a BLP1E. Moreover i've suggest it to be changed as Arrest of Qazi Shibli, Just Like Arrest of Kamran Yusuf. Even the source's you've shared have covered his Arrest. -- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 17:20, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The AfD nomination only deals with the content, it does not address the issue of notability, hence "limited evidence of BEFORE". If you wish to have a discussion about renaming the article, AfD is not the place. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Goldsztajn, AfD arises only when there’s the issue with the Notability. What else venue do you think the notability should be discussed at, if not AfD? As per my knowledge, we raise articles at AfD when they have notability issues and aren’t fir per standard of an encyclopaedia. If i am wrong do correct me.-- Jammumylove Talk to me or CHECK MY RECENT WORK 01:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jammumylove: To be precise: *your* entire nominating text was purely about the present contents of the article, which is irrelevant for the purposes of AfD. This is why I stated that there was limited evidence of WP:BEFORE...If I wasn't AGF, I probably would have said, "no evidence." Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Times article cannot be considered trivial. There is significant coverage available on the subject though the article does require more details.defcon5 (talk) 16:20, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He's a notable journalist and has enough reliable news links references. User talk:Jammumylove Created account few weeks back and looks like purposely nominating profiles for nomination.
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:29, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wilfried Hochholdinger

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Subject of the lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. A before search shows hits in user generated sources, self published sources and other unreliable sources. They are an actor but I don’t see any criterion from WP:NACTOR satisfied as they haven’t won any significant award neither have they taken lead roles in movies they featured in. Celestina007 (talk) 23:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete The article is in a dire state but a glimpse at his article on de-Wiki at least shows that he acted in a bunch of productions. He played minor roles in Inglourious Basterds,X-Men: First Class, and Speer und Er. He's also had lots of appearances in German TV productions, of which few are lead roles. All in all, not enough to fulfil criterion 1 of WP:NACTOR. I've tried looking for coverage of him in reliable German sources but couldn't find anything substantial. A show of his is discussed here without giving any biographical information. Given that the German wiki article doesn't cite any solid sources either, there seems not to be anything out there that could make him pass WP:GNG. Modussiccandi (talk) 15:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete My finding echo those of 'Modussiccandi' does not meet WP:NACTOR lots of minor roles, nothing on de.wiki that implies he could pass it. Jeepday (talk) 16:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Reliable sources not found. Non notable Actor. Fails NACTOR & GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Article lacks RS. Alex-h (talk) 07:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Does not pass WP:NACTOR or any other measure of notability. --Kbabej (talk) 19:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Kolma8 (talk) 21:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per nom. --Devokewater 05:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 23:08, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fran Jović

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User:Lazargang1 has expressed a wish for all or part of the article to be deleted on its talk page. Officiating in the Europa League does not make him notable by default. The only guideline that referees pass or fail is WP:GNG or WP:BIO.

There are pages and pages worth of passing mentions but I can't actually find any coverage going into any depth about him. There are plenty of routine announcements, basically saying 'Jović set to referee x vs y', for example Nacional and VL. Aside from that, we have a couple of articles criticising a refereeing decision, one of which being Jutarnji. I can't see any indication that this person is notable enough for an article in a general encyclopaedia. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I've decided to remove the vandalism. I suspect it wouldn't be eligible since the first two sentences aren't vandalism. I considered WP:A7 but officiating in the Europa League would likely mean that that would be declined. PROD would just be removed by the creator so AfD was the only option left. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Spiderone: Speedy deletions, specifically G3s, are not PRODs, and the article creator is not allowed to remove that template. Anyways, it may no longer be eligible, should still be deleted. SportingFlyer T·C 11:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:17, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Med-X

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Fails WP:BAND; there's no significant coverage to be found. Lennart97 (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Couldn't find anything that establishes notability. Since they are inactive, there is little chance of them being notable, imo. They have only released one studio album. Unsourced since 2007. No evidence of notability. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, fails WP:BAND - Xclusivzik (talk) 10:17, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: not enough coverage to pass general notability guidelines. TheDreamBoat (talk) 04:00, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per nom. --Devokewater 05:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players#M. There is a strong consensus that the subject is not notable and that it should be a redirect. There only referenced material here is the birthplace and university career, but does not need to be merged considering the content of the other list entries. (non-admin closure)MarkH21talk 23:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Machin

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This was nominated last year, but the nomination was poor, and all of the arguments for keep were that he passed WP:NCRIC. Unfortunately, Machin definitively fails WP:GNG. The only two sources in the article are to Cricket Archive and CricInfo, two statistical database sites which don't pass WP:SPORTCRIT for notability purposes. I did a fairly comprehensive BEFORE search in which I found a reprint of the scorecard of the List A match he played in, but the newspaper did nothing except reprint the score of the match, not provide any significant coverage of him, and the only other appearances of his name were in agate (i.e., not SIGCOV). No issue with an ATD if a suitable one is found. SportingFlyer T·C 22:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 03:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zeros and Ones

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Non notable future film, fails WP:NFF. All sources, including others found online, just talk about the star, Ethan Hawke, and nothing about the production of the film. Should be deleted or moved back to draftspace until closer to actual release when sources are about the film, not the actor.

Previous AfD (in February) resulted in a delete. Article was recreated in draftspace...and moved to main, again too soon. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Donaldd23 I'm sorry to say this, but you are incompetent, and you don't respect the work of others. --Salvatoreariel (talk) 10:37, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Salvatoreariel - completely unacceptable comment. Please read WP:NPA. Thanks. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Salvatoreariel, argumentum ad hominem jabs are considered a bad tone... Here is some late night reading for you: WP:NOPA... Kolma8 (talk) 14:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify per WP:NFF, WP:NYF and WP:CRYSTAL. I agree it's too soon for this article to be created. I don't know why Salvatoreariel would move Zeros and Ones to article space when it's not ready yet. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify per above. Last time Salvatoreariel created this article directly in mainspace, I speedied it under G11. It’s just not ready. Salting might be a good idea until the film is notable. Pupsterlove02 talkcontribs 22:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify as production hasn't begun, but it will be considered notable in future, assuming it gets made. G4 any future creations if productions hasn't started and/or notability still not established. WikiVirusC(talk) 22:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is a film that is ready, already finished for months. By putting it on wikipedia we save all the work. Wikipedia deserves this article. I don't understand why you are hesitant. --Salvatoreariel (talk) 10:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where is your evidence to support that the production has already finished? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:09, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When a movie is on the reputable and serious IMDB site: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13432484/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm It means filming is over. --Salvatoreariel (talk) 11:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't and, for the record, a film being on IMDb doesn't automatically make it notable enough either. There is nothing on WP:NFILM or WP:NFF that says that we can create an article on a film as soon as it appears on IMDb... Also, copy pasting from NFF Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To echo Spiderone I could not find anything saying that the production is over. Last piece of new I have seen here [2], that filming WOULD begin in Italy in November 2020... Kolma8 (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
IMdb is not considered a "reputable and series site". See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Resources#Questionable_resources. It would be best to do research before commenting. Also, no one is trying to "delete your hard work", its just too early for this article. Its fine in draftspace until it is closer to release. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Spideron How do you tell that IMDB is not trusted? IMDB is the most serious movie site around. You must inform yourself: this is serious ... "I copy and paste, because I don't write very well in English" excuse me --Salvatoreariel (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a reliable source for use as a reference on Wikipedia, please read WP:RS. IMDB is a user-generated site similar to how Wikipedia is, anyone can edit it. Also in regards to your comment about it being on IMDB means that filming is over, that is false, movies like Guardians of the Galaxy 3 [3] are only in pre-production, and still have a IMDB page, just like this movie does. The article will be made, it just isn't ready yet per Wikipedia policies. WikiVirusC(talk) 17:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify - at this point it's not in production, so draftify until principal photography starts, if there's enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG at that point. Onel5969 TT me 18:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Serena Rigacci

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Not notable GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 21:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Italian singer, participant on the Hungarian X Factor. She has been the subject of two AfDs on huwiki, each of them including the reasoning "just because she appeared in a talent show, she haven't achieved anything else". To date, she has only one song. The sources in the article are the official site of the TV channel that used to air the show (RTL Klub), and the other is an article on X-Faktor, where she is mentioned trivially. During a google search I only found the usual social media pages and streaming links, as well as lots of gossip stuff. According to the second Afd on huwiki, "basically, she haven't achieved anything notable, her only single is almost completely unknown, it haven't achieved any chart positions. Since the show has ended, she is not active in the Hungarian media, it is unknown if she even continues singing. On her facebook page, she gets 10-20 likes, so it is possible that she is unknown even in her homeland." The last statement is irrelevant, I know, since fb likes are no support of notability, but I agree with these statements in general. Just because she appeared in a talent show, she is not notable. COI also applies, as Serena herself has contributed to this article (see page history). GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I have found several more or less suitable sources (1, 2, 3, 4 and couple of others, most of them are interviews or short mentions. I believe it's TOOSOON now, she is being called young and perspective, but Wikipedia policies are not met yet.Less Unless (talk) 21:27, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not even remotely close to meeting the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Adrian Cheng#Personal life. Content worth merging is available from the history. Randykitty (talk) 16:26, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Yu Cheng

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There are not indepth sources to passes her WP:GNG Gritmem (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Striking comment of blocked nominator. Cunard (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I have blocked the nominator for WP:UPE, however I wish this nomination to be evaluated on its merits. MER-C 19:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect to Adrian Cheng#Personal life, her husband, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. The sources I found primarily covered the subject in the context of coverage about her husband. I am willing to switch to supporting a standalone article if substantial coverage about Jennifer Yu Cheng can be found.

    This 13 November 2020 article in Apple Daily notes, "新世界發展(017)執行副主席鄭志剛(Adrain)大家唔陌生,佢太太余雅穎(Jennifer)就相對低調,主打家族嘅教育事業,不過近排悄悄地有新搞作,華華聽聞佢上個月成立咗間新公司「鄭余雅穎培菁女性創效基金」,英文就係「Jennifer Yu Cheng Girls Impact Foundation」,用自己個名嚟命名,唔知搞邊科呢?"

    From Google Translate: "Adrain, Executive Vice Chairman of New World Development (017), is not unfamiliar to everyone. His wife, Jennifer, is relatively low-key, focusing on family education, but there are new things in recent days. She established a new company named 「鄭余雅穎培菁女性創效基金」. The English name is 'Jennifer Yu Cheng Girls Impact Foundation'."

    If Jennifer Yu Cheng receives more coverage in the future (which is possible if she stops being "relatively low-key"), there is no prejudice against undoing the redirect and restoring the standalone article.

    Cunard (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as you are the creator of the article please disclose any paid editing. And as a new editor, i advise you to read WP:GNG and WP:BIO first.
And your username, is it a short form of "kindergarden finder"? Not sure it violate username policy or not. Matthew hk (talk) 13:57, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Her role is building girls and women's impact, and investment from the group she is strategic director of is cited in edit.Kaybeesquared (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is significant news coverage, enough IMO. Lesliechin1 (talk) 09:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. The news coverage is far from significant . They are routine coverage. Also per user:Cunard. Matthew hk (talk) 13:54, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment and still vote forKeep - at the risk of adding more fuel to the delete votes, her daughter is an award winner too Sonia Cheng, should mother be merge into Sonia's page than with her husband, given her interest in developing women and girls, or replace all of them with a Cheng family page if none of them are cited as notable on their own, the son (also Adrian) does not seem to have an article? [1]Kaybeesquared (talk) 14:09, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looks like it is either merge or keep. Currently heading towards merge as some keep !votes are not as based in policy.
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  • Merge and Redirect per Cunard, we'll have to trim it down and maybe re-write it, since there are not a lot of reliable sources. CanadianOtaku Talk Page 20:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Sources 11, 20 and 21 qualify as significant independent coverage from reliable sources. That passes GNG. Macktheknifeau (talk) 16:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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If you can read Chinese, Jennifer is the wife of Adrain Cheng , while Sonia is the sister of Adrain . Matthew hk (talk) 01:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, her "notability" is derived from Cheng family's investment. Merely as a director of an Education provider is not notable and those "coverage" are just gossip. Matthew hk (talk) 01:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For Sonia Cheng's GNG. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. Matthew hk (talk) 01:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English People's Liberation Army

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Minor paramilitary organisation. Was up for speedy, but I'm not convinced it meets WP:CSD#A7. Linking this terrorist organisation to a republican BLP looks a bit problematic, but without that there is very little left to say. —Kusma (t·c) 20:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • It gets an entry on page 497 of ISBN 9780582902558. As for the encyclopaedia cited as one of the sources here: That encyclopaedia's entry is about the Republican Party of England, on pages 76–77, but does connect it to this subject. I even found the original news reports from 1983 about the parcel bomb. I'm not sure that presenting these organizations as tiny encyclopaedia articles is the best approach. Some kind of umbrella subject might be better. But the sources cited, and other sources that can be found, do pan out. Uncle G (talk) 21:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, I don't doubt the existence, but it does seem a minor footnote in UK domestic terrorism. I'm a bit confused that {{UK far-left}} lists it as "Marxist–Leninist", though, and there's no indication of that here. —Kusma (t·c) 21:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • That is possibly because the aforementioned encyclopaedia says "Maoist inspired". Uncle G (talk) 22:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - although quite a few people have now looked for reliable sources, there's nothing substantial; while there is something accurate which can be said, it doesn't appear to reach notability. Ideally, this could be merged elsewhere, but I can't think of a suitable location. Warofdreams talk 17:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete My search is finding the same as others, fails WP:GNG. Jeepday (talk) 02:10, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: not enough coverage to pass general notability guidelines. TheDreamBoat (talk) 04:30, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Perhaps should have a mention in a wider article, but as a stand-alone article, I agree with the above votes that there is not enough notability here. doktorb wordsdeeds 08:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per nom. --Devokewater 05:52, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Firoz Kunnumparambil

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WP:BLP of a person whose only stated notability claim is as a candidate in an upcoming election. As always, this is not grounds for a Wikipedia article in and of itself -- the notability test for politicians is holding a notable office, not just running for one, and his only path to getting a Wikipedia article in advance of the election would be to demonstrate that he was already notable enough for a Wikipedia article before he ever stood as a candidate for anything. Obviously no prejudice against recreation after election day if he wins, but he isn't already entitled to have an article just for being a candidate. Bearcat (talk) 20:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Fails WP:NPOL as described above. Subject has also received media coverage with regards to unproven criminal allegations, but that does not merit inclusion in Wikipedia per WP:BLPCRIME. DanCherek (talk) 22:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong delete: Just a person from Kerala who became viral through social media. Written for promotional work as 2021 Kerala legislative election is just a few days ahead where this person is a candidate. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete: Not even an attempt to claim notability has been made. --RaviC (talk) 15:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. WP is not for building recognition before an election. If the subject is elected, then by all means, recreate or refund. --Kbabej (talk) 20:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per nom. --Devokewater 05:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Ephraim Williams#Early life. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 04:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ephraim Williams Sr.

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Fails WP:N and hinges on relation to Ephraim Williams for whom an existing article already exists for Shushugah (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong Delete: No independent sources, and frankly, I'd back a Speedy based on a failure to assert a claim of notability. As far as the article states, this was Just Some Guy from Massachusetts colonial days. Ravenswing 05:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Ephraim_Williams#Early_life. MarkZusab (talk) 06:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Sounds more like something that should be on Ancestry.com rather than an encyclopedia. Megtetg34 (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

STI International

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Sennecaster and I were unable to find any sources giving in-depth coverage of this company, to the point that I highly doubt it meets WP:NCORP. The article is currently entirely sourced to the company website and associated press releases. About the best source is this, which is rather promotional in tone, and only covers the name change. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 19:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I originally went to this page as part of a CCI. Much of the information is again, parsed from the company website. I have a feeling there is some vague paraphrasing going on as well in the actual prose, not even relating to the content. I am not a content editor, again, I came here from CCI. I suggest deletion, as it has no notability under Wikipedia policy and a quick search returns up very little reliable sources. The promotional tone of the article CAN be fixed, but in addition to the lack of WP:NCORP I think this is the best course of action. Sennecaster (talk) 19:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is the adoption of the Staccato 2011 by the United States Marshals Service's Special Operations Group (noted in this subsection, with this source), enough to make the company and/or the 2011 notable? RadiculousJ (talk) 14:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, that's a good point. However, it's one of the only sources then that is notable. I won't be opposed to keeping if more sources like the one you provided were found (not just by you, but by others as well). Sennecaster (talk) 10:53, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The criteria for establishing notability for companies/organizations as per WP:NCORP is for multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. None of the references in the article meet the criteria and having searched I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria. Topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 17:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - small gun company. Bearian (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 16:35, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hemant Brijwasi

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Not enough coverage to pass GNG also fail for WP:REALITYSINGER being a winner of reality television doesn't make him notable Sonofstar (talk) 19:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Per nom. Megtetg34 (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep winning two national television singing competitions passes criteria 9 of WP:NMUSIC (only one criteria needed) as confirmed by reliable sources already in the article such as New Indian Express and the Hindu, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The subject meets WP:BASIC.[1][2][3][4][5] Currently elaborating, please wait... ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Evaluation:
      • [1] A very detail biography of the subject, thus can constitute as wp:sigcov.
      • [2] Excluding the interview section for not being wp:independent, leaving only the lead, the coverage is far removed from being a trivial mention (but may not be wp:sigcov) and can contribute to wp:basic.
      • [3] While it may not be wp:sigcov, the coverage is still far removed from being a trivial mention.
      • [4] May or may not be wp:sigcov, but is not a trivial mention.
      • [5] Same as above.
    • With these sources, the combined is enough to meet wp:basic. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 05:23, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Regarding WP:REALITYSINGER, reliable sources have shown that the subject is notable outside of a reality television series, so it fails the second point. The subject also meets the WP:SINGER C9. As the subject meets both WP:BASIC and WP:SINGER, the subject is very likely to be notable. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 05:31, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the above arguments that the subject won two television shows therefore warrants an independent article satisfies criteria 9 WP:MUSICBIO is factually incorrect. They were television shows. See WP:REALITYSINGER #2: Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable. The subject is only notable for winning 2 television contests as you just stated, and lacks significant news coverage in verifiable sources. Therefore, there is not enough to merit an independent article per policy. Also, it's clear you don't understand what exactly WP:SIGCOV is. It's not a biography, nor is it a handful of articles that merely mention the subject. It's a reference to media attention and significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Topic fails notability requirements and should be deleted. Megtetg34 (talk) 20:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ a b DelhiApril 16, India Today Web Desk New; April 16, 2018UPDATED:; Ist, 2018 13:59. "From Little Champ to Rising Star: How Hemant Brijwasi won millions of hearts with his breathtaking performances". India Today. Retrieved 2021-04-04. {{cite web}}: |first3= has numeric name (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ a b Saifi, Javed (2018-04-20). "Straight from the heartland". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2021-04-04.
  3. ^ a b "Singing reality show winner attacked in Vrindavan". Hindustan Times. 2016-06-12. Retrieved 2021-04-04.
  4. ^ a b DelhiApril 15, India Today Web Desk New; April 16, 2018UPDATED; Ist, 2018 10:51. "Rising Star 2 grand finale: Hemant Brijwasi is the winner of the show". India Today. Retrieved 2021-04-04. {{cite web}}: |first3= has numeric name (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  5. ^ a b "'Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Li'l Champs' winner Hemant Brijwasi wins reality show 'Rising Star 2'". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 2021-04-04.
  • Comment: Add on after Megtetg34 valid points. If fails GNG also

[4] no author name is written, It is hard to believe, it is independent

[5] This is again not independent, just an interview on winning the show.

[6], [7], [8] No Author name are written. PTI is the Press Trust of India, so this is also not independent. Also, it's just written about winning the show and not in-depth about his own journey. Sonofstar (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disagree. Winning two notable television music competitions clearly passes WP:NMUSIC as confirmed in multiple reliable sources such as The Hindu. Not all newspapers give bylines so that is not a factor. The reality singer link is for singers who only win one competition not two different ones which obviously makes their coverage more than one event and independent of each win. There is no valid reason for this article to be deleted in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: There should be at least 2-3 independent coverage, all the news website shared till now, give author bylines if you check other news links of those sites, it fails WP:GNG Rest no secondary coverage apart from show winningSonofstar (talk) 05:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - we have tended to keep the winners of major reality TV shows. Indian TV is a billion-person market. Bearian (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep based on winning music contests he meets WP:MUSICBIO. Expertwikiguy (talk) 02:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: No, Please share, where is the album or song published by him??? How come WP:MUSICBIO is applicable for a reality show singer. He is not even Passing GNG as it's all Press wired news he has. He must pass WP:REALITYSINGER which he fails.Sonofstar (talk) 05:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Considering WP:REALITYSINGER: Assume the subject is only notable for two reality television series. Interpreting the guideline strictly, it fails C2 as the subject is not only notable for a reality television series. But what about the spirit of this guideline? Assuming being only notable for two reality television series still meets C2, may be redirected to an article about the series poses a problem, that is which reality television series of the two should we redirect to? Therefore, the spirit of the guideline is really the same as the words of the guideline.
    For by-lines, they are only as reliable as the publisher itself. A dependent publisher can put names that look independent as the authors. Instead, the content itself is a much more reliable indicator of independence. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 06:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a low-participation consensus to delete the article. However, given the fact that the subject exists and has had non-trivial academic impact, I would be glad to refund this article to draft if any editor is interested in taking it up as a subject for improvement. BD2412 T 04:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Stefanotti

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PR, notability lacking, product of paid editing: see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Jacobmcpherson_paid_editing Acousmana (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was nominated for a "keep" in the first iteration Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Stefanotti Jacobmcpherson (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep per criteria 1 of WP:Creative. Two sources acknowledge his central importance in the photo-realism movement: the New Yorker (see article citation) and in Horizon - Volume 24, Issue 4 - Page 33 (offline). That in conjunction with the sources cited in the first AFD by User:James500 (see link to first AFD above) seem to meet the criteria for WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 02:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:33, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MJ0.6

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Blatant advert, moved more than once from draft by obvious COI editor. Fails referencing, fails WP:NMUSIC, should not be draftified. Pure Vanispamcruftisement Fiddle Faddle 16:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Fails WP:NMUSIC + WP:GNG CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - massive rap sensation he is not. Zero coverage in the media, not even the usual paid-for press releases. The only evidence that this rapper even exists is a YouTube channel, in which most of the videos have fewer than 100 views. Not even remotely close to being notable. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Repeatedly declined draft moved into mainspace by an obvious COI editor, with no reliable sources; no indication that the subject meets either WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. PohranicniStraze (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I deleted the sandbox version per WP:G11. WP:A7 also looks defensible. Delete as WP:ARTSPAM about a subject who does not meet WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG, or WP:NMUSIC. The refbombing(?) just does not provide significant sourcing. I know the AfD admins like full, well thought out rationales, but there are only so many ways of saying subject does not meet inclusion requirementst. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no signs of being a notable musician and fails WP:GNG. WikiVirusC(talk) 22:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't have much to add to everyone else's solid reasoning above, except to say that self-promoters are even less believable when they have no subtlety. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Withdrawn nomination and speedy keep. Easily passes WP:BASIC Shushugah (talk) 08:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Annie Withey

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Her product is clearly notable but the page is mostly about her company, and trivia about herself. Fails notability per WP:INHERITORG Shushugah (talk) 16:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep WP:BASIC is met because she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources, for example: Wall Street Journal, Hartford Courant, SFGate (all of which have been added to the article by Skynxnex). Those are all profiles of Annie Withey the person, not just about the company. DanCherek (talk) 22:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I created the article but I still think that she meets WP:BASIC and WP:INHERITORG doesn't apply since she: reached notability with at least two companies; has had multiple stories written about her and her experience as a business woman, spanning the from the 1980s until now, that are not solely focused on Annie's Homegrown. I've added a few sources and expanded some sections since the initial AfD notice so I think it addresses some of the potential issues as well. Skynxnex (talk) 13:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Any of the editors who wishes to have a redirect from this title is free to create one if they wish to. JBW (talk) 16:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Righeira (Righeira album)

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While this group had several hit songs, none of their albums, including this one, appear to meet either WP:GNG, and definitely don't meet WP:NALBUM. Onel5969 TT me 15:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete or redirect with protection, because redirection has been attempted before, and the article creator has insisted on restoring the article without providing any sources. Really the same applies to all of the group's albums which this editor has created, none of which have charted anywhere – the article creator has also insisted on creating a chart table for the albums on the group's discography page, which I have pointed out is a waste of time, as naturally with no charting albums at all, the table is completely empty. Richard3120 (talk) 19:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This article does not even make a claim to notability. I was going to say redirect to the group's article Righeira, and protect the redirect if required, per Richard3120, but no-one is ever going to search on this title. Since the album is named for the group, anyone looking for it will end up on the right page. Meters (talk) 08:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - First, note that there is an article for one of the songs from this album, Vamos a la playa (Righeira song), which was a significant hit single in Europe, and the article backs it up. However I can find nothing on this parent album, which appears not to have charted anywhere, even in the same countries where the single hit the top ten. Perhaps this says something about the marketing of European albums in the 80s. The nominator may also want to check out the articles for two other albums by this group: Bambini Forever and Vamos a la playa (Righeira album). This "Comment" is not a vote because I find it strange that an album is so invisible even though it has a huge single, and I am unsure on whether to delete or redirect. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Doomsdayer520: I think there are two issues here. Firstly, there were no Italian album charts during the 1980s, so charting is going to be impossible to find, even if the album includes a big hit single. Secondly, for Eurodisco/pop songs like "Vamos a la playa", their appeal was generally to a "one-off" singles-oriented market, and often a group like this might have one or two hits and then disappear completely. It would be very common that a summer party song like this could sell in huge numbers, but nobody would be interested in buying a whole album that just repeated the formula ten times with diminishing results. The fact that the album didn't chart in other established European charts, despite the song's popularity there as well, is a good indication to me that this is the case. Given the single's popularity, it seems likely to me that the album might have been reviewed in Musica e dischi, easily Italy's most popular music magazine of the time - maybe in other European music magazines as well. But without access to any copies to check this, it's impossible to say whether I'm right. Richard3120 (talk) 14:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Doomsdayer520, perhaps this is a case of WP:INHERIT. ASTIG😎 (ICE TICE CUBE) 16:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good find, but it's hard to say how much of that article is useful or in-depth... it's clearly written very much tongue-in-cheek. It basically describes the album as giving new meaning to the word "nonsense", laughs at the lyrics of three of the tracks, and that's it. Richard3120 (talk) 23:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SAFE-BioPharma Association

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This page has not been substantively updated in at least 10 years. For example, it includes aspirational goals that the association hopes to achieve “by 2012.” In addition, it lacks sources and citations, and is written like a website or public relations piece. In researching the organization, it appears that it no longer exists and likely hasn’t for many years. ABT021 (talk) 15:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I am not finding anything to meet WP:GNG no claims in the article that imply I am missing anything. Jeepday (talk) 02:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kayaking at Kotepally

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While this exercise does exist, not enough in-depth coverage for a standalone article. Might be worthwhile to start an article on Kotepally Dam, and then have this included in a section on Activities, or Tourism. Onel5969 TT me 15:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Khantipalo

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This article about a writer and Buddhist teacher has been tagged as needing more citations since 2019 (main article) and 2018 (biography section). I have not been able to find anything to add. It looks as if ABC may have done a profile on him here, but if so I can't find more info. I can't find reviews of his book, Noble Friendship: Travels of a Buddhist Monk, though there is a reference in an academic journal. Tacyarg (talk) 15:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shimmer (Sal Paradise album)

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Appears to fail WP:NALBUM, as I can not find any significant coverage of this album, nor of the artist, who doesn't have an article. A claim of notability is made for being the soundtrack to a German film which doesn't have an English WP article either, but does have a German one: de:Die Story, which indeed lists Sal Paradise as the soundtrack artist. Apparently Germany's second highest grossing film in 1984, which I haven't been able to confirm; but even if that is true, I don't think that's enough to make this album notable.

NatGertler listed the same concerns when tagging the article for notability back in 2015, see Talk:Shimmer (Sal Paradise album). Lennart97 (talk) 15:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, as per, well, what Lennart says I said. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - When the band has no WP article, I am automatically suspicious about the notability of their albums. It is difficult to track down info about this group, as their name is also a literary character (from On the Road) and other bands used it too including an obscure Australian 90s band ([9]). This one appears to be a British one-man techno act from the early 80s, with a mysterious Bandcamp page ([10]), while the album Shimmer has a Discogs entry. However I can find nothing else reliable and significant, especially for the album that is the topic of this AfD. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Favonian (talk) 14:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Walker (musician)

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Seems to fail WP:NMUSICIAN, WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. The only remotely decent source cited is the Xttrawave Q&A, which does nothing to establish notability. No charting releases, no accolades, no significant influence within his genre. Tennis career seems to be junior level only.

WP:BEFORE search only came up with namesakes, even within the field of music. Claims of popularity don't seem correct. He has 5 subscribers on YouTube and only one song on Spotify has more than 1k plays. No sign that he is 'one of the most upcoming artists in the UK'. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy Sloth Records (Dylan's Mgmt)Interview with UK singer-songwriting sensation Dylan WalkerDylan Walker - Exclusive Interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.242.44 (talk) 28 March 2021 (UTC)

The two interviews are nearly identical and they don't do much to establish notability. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that this commenter, 81.159.242.44, is the same as TripleBald1 below, because they both made the same mistake of putting their comments at the top of the AfD and neglecting to sign them. Both errors were fixed by Spiderone and myself. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Nobody has called him "one of the most upcoming artists in the UK" except himself (and reliable sources would use better grammar too). Happy Sloth Records is himself, especially since this so-called company refers to Mr. Walker by his first name in all its PR materials. Only visible in unreliable interviews (e.g. [11]) and his own social media. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Don't understand your point around Happy Sloth records. Decca records (and all others that I can see) call their artists by first name] — Preceding unsigned comment added by TripleBald1 (talkcontribs) 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Just because Decca does it, that doesn't mean Happy Sloth should, and it's not even remotely relevant for Mr. Walker's notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue it's down to the artist's individual preference. Island records don't refer to Lady Gaga as Mrs Germanotta as nobody knows her by that name. I suspect Dylan is known by his fans as Dylan Walker, not Mr Walker and therefore wishes to have his name displayed as the former. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TripleBald1 (talkcontribs) 14:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, please only vote once in a deletion discussion. Secondly, you haven't shown even one example of coverage in a reputable source. Xttrawave is a blog that anyone can submit their music on. Same with Planet Singer. Same with Curious for Music. None of these are reliable, professional, published sources nor do they claim to be. Where is the newspaper and magazine coverage? Where is the coverage from major reputable online music publications (i.e. not blogs that anyone can submit their work on)? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Favonian: Like clockwork, the SPA's have returned once the PP is lifted. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, and just as predictably, they've been blocked and the page once more protected. Favonian (talk) 15:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fairly blatant promotional vanity article. The degree of sockpuppetry in above "approve" comments borders on the comical. ShelbyMarion (talk) 21:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete A7, G11. Most of the cited sources don't even validate the entirely mundane claims that are made.----Pontificalibus 12:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete — Per G11. Furthermore, I too fail to see how the subject is notable and agree with the nom's rationale. The socking is as ludicrous as they come. Celestina007 (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

John McFetridge

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WP:BLP of a writer, not reliably sourced as having a strong notability claim per WP:AUTHOR. As always, writers are not "inherently" notable just because their work exists, but rather they need to show some concrete markers of achievement (e.g. notable literary or screenwriting awards, etc.) to establish their significance. But the only sources here are a Q&A interview in which he's speaking about himself in the first person and a cite that just goes "Publication, date" without actually naming the title of any specific piece of content -- and on a search for better sources, I'm just not finding nearly enough to make a difference. I can find a couple of stray book reviews in reliable sources, but not nearly enough -- mostly I'm finding reviews in university student media, which isn't GNG-making coverage, and a glancing namecheck of his existence as a giver of soundbite in an article whose subject is flash fiction. This just isn't enough. Bearcat (talk) 14:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Per nominator's suggestion, the editors who voted to keep the article should improve it by removing anything promotional and adding most (if not all) of the sources in this discussion to prevent renomination in the near future. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE TICE CUBE) 15:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Home Assistant

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The article is very promotional in tone, but that wouldn't necessarily be a problem if I was able to find any reliable sources that would allow it to be pruned and made respectable. My problem is that, while there are 65 references in the article, they are almost all either download sites, affiliated sites, or WP:UGC websites for enthusiasts to share experiences. There are a couple of potentially RS refs that I can read, to TechHive and Gizmodo, but they only mention the subject in passing and offer no substantive content. There's also a Wired article which seems either to be paywalled so I haven't been able to review that. Based on what I see however, I'm not convinced that WP:GNG is satisfied. I have looked for better sourcing, and drawn a blank, but I confess that software is not my forte so would be willing to withdraw if someone with more familiarity with the subject is able to improve the sourcing. GirthSummit (blether) 14:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It is true that a lot of the references are not evidence of notability (they are serving a different purpose in the article), but buried among them is some clear evidence of significant and direct coverage, in my opinion. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 15:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'll admit right upfront that whataboutism is a poor defense, but it takes only a few random clicks in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_and_open-source_software to see this article has more and better sourcing with regard to Notability than many other open source projects with articles here. I'd submit that many open source projects that may otherwise be notable when compared to their commercial competitors in terms of user population/uptake do not have the equivalent media coverage for sourcing simply because they do not have marketing and public relations staffs that generate press coverage for commercial software companies/products. If the article survives AfD, I'll pitch in to help address the tone issues. AUTiger » talk 23:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In my nomination, I noted that sources for software packages were not really my area of expertise; if editors experienced in this type of article are telling me that they feel that some of the sources are reliable, I have to give heed to that. I'm not convinced about some of these, but perhaps the article is salvageable after all. To be clear, I still think it needs a pruning saw taking to it, to remove all the unreliable sources and puffery, and I'm grateful to Aytiger for offering to help with that. 0x0077BE, Mrand would you also be willing to weigh in? I'm not in a position to withdraw the nomination, since a couple of people have already !voted delete, but I would be content with the article being kept if I knew that some experienced eyes were going to take a proper look at it. GirthSummit (blether) 09:13, 31 March 2021 (UTC) Oops, reping Autiger GirthSummit (blether) 09:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]
I am a very infrequent editor these days and I'm very overburdened with various other responsibilities so I can't really promise to make any major overhauls to the article, but I will set a reminder to check back in a few weeks, and if someone wants to ping me on my talk page when a revamp has been done I'd be happy to give it a copy-edit / review pass. Sorry I can't promise any more than that. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 17:21, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Despite my protestations that I do not have time to help clean things up too much, I stole time from my other obligations to write up my prescription for how to improve the article on the talk page. I've also added this to the WP:WikiProject Software list of articles needing improvement. If anyone feels that my diagnosis of the problems is off, please feel free to add to that "To Do" list. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 18:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The existing references to coverage on Stacey on IoT website should be suitable as reliable sources. Stacey Higginbotham is a prominent tech journalist that has been working in the industry for 18+ years (writing for professional publications like Fortune and PCMag among others), has a verified Twitter account, appears in Google News, etc. A quick search also turned up an ArsTechnica article about how artist Lauren McCarthy used Home Assistant to study behavioral changes of the participants in her performance piece. And just today, Ars published another in-depth article. So I don’t think sourcing is an issue here, but agree the tone could use some adjustments. SeanMooney (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC) SeanMooney (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep The article needs cleanup, but it is a notable project that meets GNG with several non-UGC references that are reputable in the tech-media landscape. Sirthorn (talk) 06:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC) Sirthorn (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • A note about off-wiki canvassing Can I just draw everyone's attention to WP:CANVAS? I'm not accusing any particular individuals here, but the pageview statistics for this page show a very sudden increase in readership when this discussion was added, and I note that amongst the people !voting keep there are brand new accounts, accounts that have not edited for over a decade, and an account who refers to the subject in the first person - something fishy seems to be going on. I no longer believe the subject to be non-notable, and I think there's only one way that this discussion can be closed; there is however a body of work to do to get rid of all the unreliable sourcing, much of which amounts to blogspam, and to trim any any cruft that can't be reliable sourced: I hope that some of the editors !voting keep will be willing to help with this task. GirthSummit (blether) 09:05, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Full disclosure: I came here as a result of off-wiki canvassing and I am a casual acquaintance of one of the core contributors (though I don't use the software in question myself). I probably should have mentioned that at the start, but to the extent that I saw canvassing, it was of the form, "Are there any experienced WP editors who can help with this?" and not "Please vote to keep the HA page up!" and I stopped in fully intending to take and unbiased look at the case for notability and explain notability criteria to the team if need be (as is my SOP when someone off-wiki runs afoul of WP policies, conventions or drama).
I think Robbie (who is using first person pronouns to refer to the project), did give adequate notice that he is a core contributor to the project, and I think what canvassing occurred was a result of not knowing WP policies more than anything else (and they basically were just asking for help from people who *do* understand WP policies, so it's a bit of a Catch-22 after all...). I think at the end of the day this will be a net benefit for the project, since it got some hopefully motivated eyes on the article and was an opportunity for Home Assistant contributors to understand the contribution policies and workflows involved in wikipedia — they are open source contributors, after all, and I think generally motivated to contribute to free culture. Thanks for working on this Girth Summit, sorry for not being immediately forthright about my (albeit weak) connection to the subject. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 17:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
0x007BE said it better but I just wanted to clarify that the only canvassing done was this tweet from our official account (by me). As 0x007BE said, it only asked for help cleaning up the article, not coming in to change the vote here or anything close to it. That tweet is almost certainly why there is a bump in the stats. I don’t think I’m in conflict with WP:CANVAS as I didn’t directly ask for people to weigh in on this discussion (and never would even without knowing that rule) but will keep those rules in mind for the future. Robbiet480 (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Based on a tweet from the official Home Assistant Twitter account, it is clear that the company (and their employees) have encouraged and likely participated in a coordinated canvassing campaign. Thread here. KidAdSPEAK 19:06, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • KidAd, FWIW, I don't think it's a company as such, it's an open-source volunteer project, a bit like this one. Not that it makes canvassing OK and I do think this was clearly improper canvassing, but it might affect the way you feel about it. GirthSummit (blether) 20:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy deleted as a CSD G7, by editor's request.. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Luvensky Valmont

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GNG fail. --- Possibly (talk) 14:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - fails GNG. Nothing notable on searches... No r sources provided in the article. Not enough for a BLP. Kolma8 (talk) 14:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no point in draftifying, there are no references that demonstrate any notability. This would not have been accepted at AFC (0.95 probabiity). Fails WP:BIO, WP:NARTIST Likely WP:TOOSOON Fiddle Faddle 16:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - searches did not turn up enough to show they pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 17:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 17:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I tried removing all unsourced content and found that nothing was left. Vexations (talk) 22:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the creator says they will "wait until we have more verifiable references " before creating the article (or something like that), so I'll try to speedy delete this.--- Possibly (talk) 00:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meagan J. Meehan

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GNG fail. Numerous sources are blogs or paid promotion. The movement "conscious perceptualism" does not have a following in reliable sources. --- Possibly (talk) 14:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I just had an edit conflict when I also tried to create this AfD. Delete as purely promotional, sources fail verification, no accomplishments that remotely come close to what we expect of a visual artist. No coverage in reputable art-related sources, but promotional media like https://rawartists.com/, http://www.vsopprojects.com/,https://www.entertainmentvine.com/ (where Meehan is a writer, per [12]), https://demouzycontemporary.com/, https://www.artconnect.com/, https://muckrack.com/. Meehan claims to be the inventor of "Conscious Perceptionalism", which is "based solely on the perception of artwork when it is viewed from different angles". Meehan "actually started working within this style as a teenager when [she] realized how cool some of [her] work looked when [she] viewed it from an angle [she] had perceived as ‘upside down.’" Conscious perceptionalism has no practitioners besides Meehan (and possibly her non-notable students). This trademarked movement of Meehan's is nothing new. Georg Baselitz has been making "inverted paintings" since 1969. Vexations (talk) 14:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - Not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 17:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete does not pass GNG. Graywalls (talk) 04:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I also saw some blogs during my search, but no indication of sufficient independent and reliable sources to support WP:ARTIST or WP:BASIC notability. Beccaynr (talk) 04:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bilingual name

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This article on forenames which exist in more than one language is poorly referenced and has been tagged as needing additional citations since 2009. I have added one reference but in general it looks as if "bilingual names" is not a thing that has been identified or studied. I found some references to bilingual names in a place-name context, but not relating to forenames. An editor called it original research on the talk page in 2009, and I would agree. Tacyarg (talk) 13:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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In Freakonomics, or in the ref I added to The French in the United States: An Ethnographic Study? Tacyarg (talk) 23:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's Freakonomics which is in the first edit and that book has a chapter about stereotypical black/white personal names and how these affect matters like treatment of job applications. The topic seems to be the use of personal names which will pass as normal in more than one language. The most popular case seems to be English/Spanish in the USA. So you will find information for parents wanting to name their babies with a safe name – see The Best Bilingual Baby Names for Multicultural Families, for example.
  • Keep The title of the page in question has more than one usage. It might refer to personal names which work in more than one language community. Or it might refer to names of places and things in bilingual communities – see papers such as Minority language policy and bilingual name semiotic landscape in Slovakia or An orthodox approach towards automated bilingual name placement in large scale maps. The way that names work in bilingual communities seems to be a thing and so there's scope to make more of the topic and title and so WP:ATD applies, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. See also WP:IMPERFECT Andrew🐉(talk) 11:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The article is about given names, not geographic names, so both "automated bilingual name placement in large scale maps" and "Minority language policy and bilingual name semiotic landscape in Slovakia" are quite irrelevant, even if the words in the title came up in a Google search. Moreover, both of these refer to how/when two different names should be displayed, not about names that are the same or similar in multiple languages or coincidentally spelled the same despite different etymologies. So if you want to write an article on these distinct topics, that may be plausible, but the entirely of the topic at hand is original research. Reywas92Talk 19:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per nom Sharath Abhivadyah Talk Page 02:52, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete there might be a plausible article on a different topic with this title (I guessed this referred to individuals who had names in multiple languages, such as an English and a Chinese name), but the content here about lexemes which are names in multiple languages is WP:OR. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 20:33, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yuki Tanigawa

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Deleted a few months back via PROD for failure of WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Nothing has changed; the player still fails both guidelines. I have checked FlashScore and Scoreboard among others. Even Transfermarkt has nothing... Malaysian news coverage is not in enough depth. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cain Brothers

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Fails WP:NCORP. Dead company. scope_creepTalk 11:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to Spy vs. Spy (band). Daniel (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Bloxom

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De-proded. No effective coverage. No standalone notability. Fails WP:SIGCOV scope_creepTalk 11:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dynamic HTML

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Does not meet General Notability Guidelines, has no sources 4E616D65 (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There are quite a number of entire books written on this subject. It would seem to be copiously documented. Where did you actually look for sources? Uncle G (talk) 16:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A notable wide concept covered in various websites and magazines:
  1. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/iis/6.0-sdk/ms525542(v=vs.90)
  2. https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-dynamic-html-3467095
  3. https://www.techopedia.com/definition/4875/dynamic-hypertext-markup-language-dhtml
  4. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/DHTML
  5. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24989421/dynamic-html-in-php-mailer
  6. https://www.webopedia.com/definitions/dynamic-html/
  7. http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/How-to-create-a-dynamic-HTML-list-with-Javascript.php DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There's no point in re-listing this. Essentially, consensus boils down to "marginally notable, but the article in it's current state harms English Wikipedia by its quallity, and there's no good version to revert to." Therefore I judge consensus to be an "anti-salt" delete, the article can be re-created by an editor who cares about quality and NPOV, and appreciation should be extended to those editors who have gone through the trouble to research the topic found notability. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nathalie Collin

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This is the work of a paid editor on the French WP in violation of their rules, now translated into English by a paid editor, probably the same one, and added to by a single purpose account. The translation is a some places rather unidiomatic. The individual may be notable, because of the legion d'honneur , but in that case it would need re-writing from scratch, not based on the French version because that was written in violation of their rules, our rules, and the WMF terms of service. but the contents of this article resort to statements such as "in conjunction with other publishers " "took part in negotiations", "supported [someone else's] proposal", "contributed to creating" "cosigned", "participated".

Almost all previous work by the same editor has been deleted as either unsourced or copyvio.

Unfortunately, the timing is such that this can not be done as a speedy deletion. DGG ( talk ) 05:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment The Legion of Honor is notable, but the article was badly translated. Should be perhaps draftified until it's been re-written. Oaktree b (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep The article is horribly written. Leaving aside any translation errors, the overall tone is conversational amd unprofessional, and it could be much more concise. That being said, the article claims that the subject was involved with a number of high-profile groups and interacted and collaborated with notable individuals. At the very least it is worth hunting around for sources here WP:Before nominating for AfD. Also, do we know for certain that the French version of the article, or the English translation, were actually created by paid accounts? Because if I had a dollar for every time that accusation got thrown around...hmmmm, maybe that's not the most appropriate expression, but you get my point, I hope? Besides, it's irrelevant how the article got started, the subject herself couldhave written it while heavily intoxicated and that would still have no bearing on whether the subject is actually notable. Hyperion35 (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commment we decided in at least one rfC not to automatically delete everything claimed to be by an undeclared paid editor, exactly because of the doubts that might be raised. Rather, it has to be shown to the satisfaction of the community, which is judged of course by consensus here at AfD. Read the article and use your judgment. If it should be deleted, and a good faith editor want to re-create it, that would remain possible. But there are two major basic reasonss for deletion besides ny , and they as strong or stronger, violations of the various provisions of WP:NOT, especially NOT ADVERTISING, and violation of the terms of use. The TOU are meaningless if we do not hold people to them. DGG ( talk ) 04:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a point of order, please see DEL-REASON for the list of acceptable reasons for deletion. I'm not trying to be snarky or insulting, seriously. I agree with you that NOT is clearly listed as a valid reason for deletion. But the terms of use are not a part of this. We enforce the TOU through other measures (ANI, etc) directed at the user, with the goal of preventing further violations. I think that it is most productive to keep AfDs focused on DEL-REASONS. We've both seen AfDs devolve into accusations of UPE because an editor cannot imagine any other reason why a half dozen other editors would vote Keep on an article that they believe should obviously have been deleted. I worry that half the AfDs are going to turn into Kangaroo Sock/UPE Courts at this rate (the other half, of course, will still involve cricketers and random street corners). Hyperion35 (talk) 12:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At WP;DEL#REASON the first line reads "

Deletion of a Wikipedia article removes the current version and all previous versions from public view. Page blanking can be performed (or reverted) by any user, but only administrators can perform deletion, view deleted pages, and reverse ("undelete") any deletion. All such actions (other than viewing) are recorded in the deletion log, and deletion statistics are recorded at WP:Deletion statistics. If in doubt as to whether there is consensus to delete a page, administrators normally will not delete it.

Contents 1 Reasons for deletion 2 Alternatives to deletion 2.1 Editing and discussion 2.2 Tagging 2.3 Merging 2.4 Redirection 2.5 Incubation 2.6 Other projects 2.7 Archiving 3 Processes 3.1 Copyright violations 3.2 Speedy deletion 3.3 Proposed deletion 3.3.1 Proposed deletion of biographies of living people 3.4 Deletion discussion 3.5 Page deletion 3.6 Deletion of biographies and BLPs 3.7 Deletion review 3.7.1 Undeletion 4 Process interaction 5 Other issues 5.1 Access to deleted pages 5.2 Courtesy blanking of talkpage or deletion debates 5.3 Revision deletion 6 Notes 7 See also 1 Reasons for deletion [edit source | quick edit] Shortcuts WP:DEL-REASON WP:DEL#REASON See also: Wikipedia:Notability § Article content does not determine notability Reasons for deletion include, but are not limited to, the following ". It has been decided that the community does not think violation of the TOU is grounds for speedy (and I agree--it needs a discussion), but otherwise the community can decide what is a valid reason. All it takes is consensus at afd. . Since rejection for not meeting the TOU requires a discussion, , here we are where we should be. DGG ( talk ) 17:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I have no opinion about anything else said above but would point out that the subject is a Chevalier in the Légion d'honneur, the lowest level of membership and roughly equivalent to a British MBE. This is well below the level at which WP:ANYBIO comes into play. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep I think being awarded the "Chevalier de l'ordre de la Légion d'honneur" would perhaps be enough, but it is awarded in various forms to about 800-1000 people a year, so is not fantastically prestigious, similar probably to an OBE, possibly an MBE. I think it is an executive doing her job. I'm wavering between Weak Keep and Weak Delete. The lack of sourcing in large sections points to it being puffed by the paid editor, which is confirmed and is likely a spam target in the future. There is no context as to why the subject is notable, but it is clear from the French she was president of EMI and large public quango. Leave it for weak keep. scope_creepTalk 13:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The French article does provide proof of the two gongs. scope_creepTalk 13:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you're providing good reason for permitting re-creation, otherwise known as WP:TNT. DGG ( talk ) 17:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:TNT and per DGG. If she paid for this mess, she got ripped off. Bearian (talk) 15:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Although I realize that I just relisted this, I think that the two latest !votes push this decidedly towards "keep". Randykitty (talk) 12:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

John Ely (surgeon)

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Was deprodded with the rationale, "not a candidate for prodding". COI article, not nearly enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 13:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep The subject was a plague doctor back in 1788 and did good work on Duck Island. At this time of a modern plague, it is good to recall such success. For example, this morning I was surprised to find that Wu Lien-teh was the top read article on Wikipedia recently. Who he? – another doughty plague doctor. Per policy WP:NOTPAPER, we have ample room for such historical figures and no good reason to delete them. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:58, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wu Lien-teh was nominated for the Nobel Prize and his page has over 30 sources, so not really a valid comparison. Mztourist (talk) 08:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any scientist can be nomintated for Nobel selection, so not really a valid argument either. PK650 (talk) 04:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The subject could not have been awarded a Nobel prize because they did not exist until the 20th century and are not given posthumously. See WP:RECENTISM. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The point I was making in response to your comparison to Wu Lien-teh was that Wu was nominated for a significant award or honor and has multiple sources, clearly establishing notability, unlike Ely. Mztourist (talk) 11:48, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ely was honoured by an award too and there are adequate sources supporting this. My point that we should keep this article per policy is unchanged. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - Does not pass WP:GNG, further per WP:NOTEVERYTHING CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS necessary to satisfy WP:GNG. Page is written by a user called JohnElyDescendant who states on their Talk Page that they're a descendent of the subject indicating that this is some family genealogy project and under the heading Notable Descendents it states "John Ely's grandson Samuel Griswold Goodrich, also known as Peter Parley, was a noted author and diplomat whose book Recollections of a Lifetime, Vol. 1 pages 533-534 was the source for the information herein." so another, older, family genealogy project. Mztourist (talk) 03:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Looks like it satisfies WP:GNG as some in depth coverage can be found in Magazine of The Daughters of the Revolution January 1893 Vol1 No 4 p16 CV9933 (talk) 13:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Unless there is evidence the sources in the article are unreliable, this passes GNG. The genealogy sources unless they are unreliable, should not be dismissed, because they are still independent of the subject. Macktheknifeau (talk) 16:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Yes, the sources are scant, but what would you expect for an 18th century physician? There was an Act of Congress promulgated to pay him for services rendered to the army, which you can find in the LOC: An Act to Allow Compensation to John Ely, for His Attendance as a Physician and Surgeon, on the Prisoners of the United States; surely this is a prima facie notability claim? PK650 (talk) 04:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the rationale provided by Andrew Davidson above. - wolf 04:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the sourcing does not meet GNG. An act of congress is a primary source, we need secondary sources, and one article in a magazine over 100 years ago does not cut it either. Clearly not notable as a soldier, and the evidence does not show he was a notable medical doctor either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:59, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Johnpacklambert:, try to keep in mind that the guy was born almost 300 years ago, so we're not exactly gonna find pages copious amounts of recent content all conveniently published on websites for us to readily snatch links from. A primary source is still a source, (and an Act of Congress is pretty damn notable), and what's the difference between a magazine published 100 years ago and one published last week? If that is your only metric to evaluate sourcing, that's not gonna cut it. If it was RS then, it's RS now. There appears to be additional sources, and it's quite possible that even more can be found. This isn't just about a soldier, or just about a doctor... on the whole, I think this has the makings to be a worthwhile article. - wolf 20:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • No a primary source is disallowed by the rules of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is supposed to be built on secondary source coverage of an individual, not original research.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Are you sure about that...? - wolf 00:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • It doesn't disallow them per se, John Pack Lambert. One must just pay attention to appropriate weighting of the sources. There are records that this man existed; furthermore, there are records that this man made a significant contribution in his field, and he was honored for it by the legislative branch of this very young country, no less. Notability has clearly been established, and you're just squabbling over the seemingly scant records available, which is entirely reasonable given the circumstances. You can't judge the sources by modern internet standards! PK650 (talk) 01:39, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Well said. I was kinda hoping Johnpacklambert would try to provide a link to some WP:PG to support his assertion, or perhaps in the process see the one I have ready to provide him, to dispel said assertion, but your reply will do, quite nicely. Cheers - wolf 02:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • The PG is WP:GNG which states: ""Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline." and ""Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability." Mztourist (talk) 10:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Hm yes, well thank you for that. Now tell us all what WP:SATISFY states. - wolf 19:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                  • You asked JPL what WP:PG supported his comments on primary sources and I provided them, I don't care if that doesn't satisfy you.Mztourist (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                    • "You asked JPL what WP:PG supported his comments on primary sources" - Exactly. I didn't ask you (but, you didn't actually answer, anyway).
                      "I don't care if that doesn't satisfy you." - erm, then why bother? (and you clearly haven't read wp:satisfy) - wolf 03:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                      • I'm perfectly entitled to respond to a comment regarding sourcing whether or not its directed to me or someone else. I did answer it. I read satisfy and can't help it if my giving you the policy doesn't satisfy you. Mztourist (talk) 09:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                        • If you read it, you missed the point. - wolf 14:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Some valid points have been raised in this discussion; as editors we have an obligation to find and implement the best quality secondary sources available. I think the magazine article that I mentioned above falls into that category, although we might have to consider how much weight we give it. On the other hand, important correspondence between Washington and Ely is preserved at Founders Online, and the factual analysis that accompanies them strikes me as being the kind of secondary sources that could be used in this article. The 22 documents at the Gilder Lehrman institute of American history are primary sources, but even so, may have some use depending on how they are used. Information at The Society Of the Cincinnati in The State of Connecticut is also an independent secondary source in my opinion, and all of these taken together should satisfy WP:GNG. The COI editing that Onel5969 picked up on should be reviewed. CV9933 (talk) 16:46, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep just enough sources to establish notability, I think. Zawed (talk) 05:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I dont understand the OP saying it is a COI article. This is a BLP of a dead person, dead a long time ago. What is the COI? Article seems to barely meet GNG Jtbobwaysf (talk) 14:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Jtbobwaysf, are you serious? Did you look at the username of who created the article? Onel5969 TT me 17:03, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • No I didnt initially, but I did now. I recall COI refers to financial motiviation. Creating a tombstone for a grandparent is not a COI in my understanding. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:09, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Jtbobwaysf, no coi means that you have a personal, not financial, interest. For example, you can't write an article about your best friend, or your employer (who might not be paying you to do so). UPE deals with financial remuneration. Onel5969 TT me 17:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Onel5969: jooc, is coi a policy-based reason to delete? If so; can you cite it for us? And if not, why bring it up? Thanks - wolf 18:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But coiedit is more about the editor than the article, isn't it? There doesn't appear to be anything in coiedit that has any impact on the standing of any article wrt any possible coi edits. Following that, is there anything in WP's deletion policies or AfD guidelines, that permits a biased evaluation of an article based on a possible coi with an editor? My understanding is that article's here are evaluated based sourcing, along with quality of writing. Yet the very first thing you mention in your OP is the "deprodding", which seems irrelevant, followed by "coi article", which is what we're seeking clarification on, and only last do you mention sourcing, which is really the only legitimate argument for deletion. (jmho) - wolf 20:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships." I suppose we would have to do some SYNTH to assume that this editor has a relationship with someone who died a couple of hundred years ago. Is it a psychic relationship? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 04:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, even if a little tongue-in-cheek. But I seriously do not see how an alleged COI can be listed as either the main reason to delete an article, or used as "lens" to bias any contributor's !vote towards deletion. I hope that any reviewing admin will disregard any COI issues when forming their close, and further hope this COI tactic isn't used again in any future AfD noms. - wolf 14:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep . In addition to what’s in the article, a a university library search (apologies but not sure how to take out the university proxy from this url) revealed that the man was honored by the United States Congress in 1790. “An act to allow compensation to John Ely, for his attendance as a physician and surgeon, on the prisoners of the United States (Early American imprints. First series ; no. 46060). New York]: Printed by John Fenno.” Given that historic record and the sources in the article, seems notable to me per WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, for the reasons of those who want this article kept. Davidgoodheart (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep The Maryland Gazette (Annapolis, Maryland) 01 Apr 1790 has a long newspaper article about him seeking money from congress for his work in the revolutionary war. I also found newspaper coverage praising his work on small pox. I added references to both in the article. Dream Focus 12:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, for the reasons cited above. See "Col John Ely 1737-1800". The Society of Cincinnati in the State of Connecticut. Retrieved March 27, 2021. We have the ... official report of his services from the Committee on Rev. Claims of the House of Representatives, January 23, 1833. Clearly notable and important. 7&6=thirteen () 12:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Mojo Hand (talk) 14:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sallah

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. Few mentions in passing fail WP:SIGCOV. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Reception section (which also discusses merchandise) could be integrated with the List of Indiana Jones characters. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep I agree with the nominator, but it still has a number of reliable references. -Cupper52Discuss! 11:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Reasonably notable as a character depicted across several media. BD2412 T 04:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • BD2412, But the (very few) depictions are not in depth. WP:SIGCOV, people... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well now you've gone and made me add a source or two. BD2412 T 06:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • BD2412, Thanks for finding [13] although a report on an interview at a local comicon... hmmm... well, it's helpful, I guess, but I am still not convinced we are meeting GNG here. Anyway, is there a reason you did not link to the news piece directly when adding the ref to the article? I had to google to find it... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • I searched Newspapers.com, rather than the internet. You get a different set of results. BD2412 T 04:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. My own WP:BEFORE search on Google.com, Google News and Google Books did not reveal a lack of significant coverage which the nominator claimed the topic lacks. In fact, the developmental/behind the scenes section can be expanded even further. Haleth (talk) 06:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Genozip

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COI article, written by the software's creator (who did acknowledge the COI on the article's talk page). However, not enough in-depth coverage to show it passes WP:GNG. It gets some mentions, but most of the article is based on primary sourcing. Onel5969 TT me 14:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, the article creator has added some reliable secondary sources, though source two is unreliable, and the article still needs some work. CanadianOtaku Talk Page 00:11, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done some cleanup, but the promotional tone is not gone yet. CanadianOtaku Talk Page 00:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article author showed interest in improving the article, so with some careful work it can be brought up to encyclopedic standards. At least, it is not a dead article. Anton.bersh (talk) 15:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep as non-commerical open source software with some sources. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:HEY. CanadianOtaku's work along with the sources added by the creator seems to show the subject meets WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete: per nom, COI w/o signs of WP:GNG CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or userify. It's too soon (see [14]). MarioGom (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, without prejudice to restoration to draft for expansion if additional reliable independent sources discussing the topic arise or can be found. BD2412 T 04:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The added sources are not reliable, so the effort to save this page has gone to waste so far. I would not oppose a userfication. Bearian (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete. After extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus for deletion, with participants leaning more in favor of keeping the article. The rationale for keeping this article on a relatively middling politician is borderline, but not nonexistent, as it is a plausible argument that recognition of the subject's death by the highest executive in the state signified influence disproportionate to the subject's mundane office. BD2412 T 04:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blanquita Valenti

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Biography of a person notable only for holding political office at the municipal and county levels, not properly sourced as passing NPOL #2. As always, small-city municipal councillors and county freeholders are not automatically notable just because they existed, or because you can show a one-day blip of obituaries in the local media the day after her death -- at this level of political office, the notability test is not just the ability to demonstrate that she existed, but the ability to demonstrate a reason why she was encyclopedically important. She would have to be able to demonstrating a credible reason why she could be considered significantly more notable than the norm for that level of political office, namely by showing a depth and range of coverage that goes far beyond just what every city or county councillor can always show, and enabling us to write something far, far more substantial than "she was a politician who existed, the end". And no, "first Latina to do this otherwise non-notable thing in her own city" doesn't make her special in and of itself either -- had it made her the first Latina woman ever to hold political office in the entire United States, then she'd probably have grounds for inclusion on that basis, but not if her firstness is limited to just one county. Nothing here is inherently notable enough to exempt her from having to have a much greater range and depth of coverage than just a couple of local obituaries. Bearcat (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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GNG is not just "count the footnotes and keep anybody who surpasses an arbitrary number" — GNG most certainly does also test the sources for depth, geographic range and the context of what they're covering the person for. For one thing, every city or town or county councillor in every city or town or county always has some local coverage — so if the existence of some local coverage were all it took to exempt a city or town or county councillor from NPOL, then every city or town or county councillor would always be exempted from NPOL. So the notability test that a city or town or county councillor has to pass to earn inclusion in Wikipedia is not just "some local coverage exists in purely local interest contexts" — it is "she can show coverage whose depth, volume and/or geographic range go far above and beyond what most other city or town or county councillors can always also show, thus demonstrating a reason why she should be considered a special case of substantially greater notability than most other city or town or county councillors". Bearcat (talk) 23:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NPOL doesn't indicate who can't have an article, WP:NPOL says who are highly likely to meet GNG. WP:GNG doesn'discriminate between local coverage or nationalwide coverage, as long as the sources aren't trivial mentions. So yes, many more articles on politicians can be created apart from NPOL, as long the person meets GNG. She had than some coverage you are saying, for example: the title of "Freeholder Valenti Honored For Decades of Public Service" says enough that it's not trivial and the article give also insight how she was as a mother. I don't see any reason why she doesn't meet GNG. And also again, it's not about notability but coverage. SportsOlympic (talk) 08:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, WP:NPOL does overrule the GNG, as is explicitly stated in WP:GNG: " Some SNGs, for example the ones in the topic areas of films, biographies, and politicians, provide guidance when topics should not be created.". Fram (talk) 08:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, That’s a good point. I didn’t know that one. Thanks. However, NPOL doesn’t state which articles must not be created, and for lower-notable people NPOL refers to GNG “Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline.” SportsOlympic (talk) 09:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We have a very longstanding consensus that we do not want to maintain articles about every single person who ever held office at the local level in every city, town or county that ever existed: there are literally hundreds of thousands of such people (possibly even into the millions) in human history, and they aren't all of any widespread or enduring public importance, so keeping articles about all of them is neither feasible nor desirable. But every last manjack or womanjack one of them can always show local press coverage in their own local area — so if the existence of run of the mill local press coverage was all you had to show to get a city councillor over GNG as an exemption from having to pass NPOL, then we would have to keep an article about every municipal or county councillor who ever councillored. So a city or county councillor does have to show a reason why she should be considered much, much more special than the norm — evidence that her coverage expands well beyond the norm in geographic range, depth and/or volume — and does not automatically pass GNG just because some local press coverage exists.
And while it's true that we don't have any specific rules about who can't have an article, such rules are automatically implied by the fact that we have many rules spelling out who can. A good rule of thumb to follow is that the more localized a person's notability claim is, the more effort you have to put into demonstrating enough substantive significance that people on the other side of the country or the world would actually get something out of reading it. Just documenting that a person lived and died, but saying nothing substantive about why her life and death should be important for a person on the other side of the world to know about, is not how you do that.
NPOL #2 could potentially stand to be rewritten for clarity — but its core purpose and message is that politicians at the local level do need to show reasons why they're significantly more special than most others, and that it is not enough to just show a handful of run of the mill local coverage no different from what every other local politician can always also show. Bearcat (talk) 15:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your opinion. it’s only not funded by a guideline. For instance, this is clearly your opinion and not a guideline “the more localized a person's notability claim is, the more effort you have to put into demonstrating enough substantive significance that people“ SportsOlympic (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not just my opinion — we have an established consensus that politicians at the local level, such as city councillors, are not automatically notable just because they have a handful of local coverage in their local media, and an established consensus that making a city councillor notable enough for inclusion requires showing that she's much more notable than the norm for city councillors, by virtue of having deeper and/or wider coverage than city councillors routinely get. Bearcat (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC) Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No-one is saying this person is "automatically notable" because of her political position. She is notable because of multiple examples of significant coverage from independent, reliable sources. There was a comment earlier on the page that "NPOL over-rides GNG". This is false. WP:NOTE specifically states that topics are presumed notable IF the topic meets either the General Notability Guideline or a Subject Specific Notability Guideline. WP:NPOL also specifically states that "such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline". A topic that is utterly irrelevant & non-notable under subject notability can still qualify for general notability. Macktheknifeau (talk) 04:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Every single city councillor on the planet, without exception, can always show some evidence of local coverage, and thus try to claim that they had passed WP:GNG and were thus exempted from having to pass WP:NPOL — which would automatically render our established consensus that city councillors are not all automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles completely meaningless, because no city councillor on earth would ever be unable to exempt themselves from it. So the notability bar for city councillors is not just "three or more hits of local coverage = GNG booya NPOL irrelevant drop the mic" — it is "her coverage expands so exponentially far beyond the norm, in depth and/or volume and/or geographic range, that she has a strong claim to being treated as much, much more special than most other city councillors". Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between "some evidence of local coverage" and WP:GNG standards. WP:NPOL refers to WP:GNG. If you don't agree with notabiliby guidelines, you should complain there. SportsOlympic (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What difference between "some evidence of local coverage" and "WP:GNG standards" do you suppose is coming into play here? The entire argument that she passes GNG at all hinges precisely on the fact that she has some evidence of local coverage, so where are you actually drawing the distinction? You're correct that there is a distinction between those two things — what I'm very unclear on is precisely what analysis of these sources is leading you to the conclusion that Blanquita Valentini is falling on the correct side of that distinction, given that the entire argument that she passes GNG is predicated specifically on the fact that she has some local sources? Bearcat (talk) 01:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: She has three article sources on her page that show significant coverage in a reliable source which is independent of her. This is enough for the page to pass the GNG. Any other argument is irrelevant cruft, or relevant only to the quality of the article itself, which is outside the scope of an AFD. Macktheknifeau (talk) 16:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GNG is not just "count the footnotes and keep anybody who gets to two" — it tests the sources for their geographic range, their depth and the context of what they're covering the person for, not just the raw number of citations present. Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I very specifically did not just "count raw citations" and decide to "keep anybody who gets to two". I said I consider three sources to show significant coverage, in reliable sources that are independent of her. Which is the qualifications to pass GNG. Please do not attribute actions to myself that did not take place. You've posted in this thread more than enough to get your point across, I think it's time for you to step back and allow the process to continue with your further input. Macktheknifeau (talk) 04:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all the sourcing is too local to her place of political operation to lead to showing notability. Every politician will get some local coverage, but we have explicitly decided that not all local politicians are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not remove her own notability. Macktheknifeau (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)←[reply]
Comment: Nice try but we have no rules against local and regional press. gidonb (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have a rule that local and regional press is unusable, no. We do, however, have a rule that local and regional press counts for much less than nationalized press does toward the matter of whether a person has enough press coverage to pass WP:GNG in lieu of actually having to satisfy any specific notability criterion for their occupation. City councillors don't get to automatically bypass NPOL just because some local coverage exists in their local media; bands who haven't achieved anything of significance don't automatically bypass NMUSIC just because they have a handful of hometown coverage of their show at the local pub; actors don't automatically bypass NACTOR just because their first bit part in a film gets them a "local girl gets film role" hit in their hometown paper; local writers don't bypass AUTHOR just because they get a hit or two of local coverage on the occasion of winning a local arts award; and on and so forth. The less inherently "nationalized" the scope of a person's basic notability claim is, the more the article has to do to demonstrate that they're special cases. Bearcat (talk) 15:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Macktheknifeau, the subject passes WP:GNG also for falling outside WP:BLP, the article may be kept. Though sentences like "Politicians from the senate expressed their condoleances" should be removed from the article. Chiro725 (talk) 09:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't find convincing the reasons given to justify deletion here. Essentially, the sourcing is compliant with the GNG (eg the New Jersey Globe, Statement from Assemblywoman Lopez, MyCentralNewJersey all count as secondary, independent RS). The deletion argument reading through the nomination and the exchanges above seems to rest on claims of run-of-the-mill and a somewhat fuzzy redefinition of notability. The difficulty for the second argument is that Wikipedia's standard for notability is derived from the GNG...notability is not a criteria existing separate from the GNG. One cannot claim a subject meets the GNG but fails a different definition of notability, so therefore should be deleted. Regarding claims of run-of-the-mill, the emphasis of the deletion argument here to me is quite arbitrary; New Jersey has a population of 9 million people, there are more than 100 countries with a population less than that. As a representative of Middlesex County, population 825,000, she was representing a population greater than the populatino of more than 50 countries. Why should Wikipedia exclude a local government official who has been independently recognised at the highest political level of the state as a pioneer for Latin@ representation in New Jersey? Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As noted, every single city councillor who ever existed in any city can always show this much local coverage, and thus can always claim that they have passed GNG for the purposes of exempting themselves from having to pass NPOL. GNG is not, and never has been, just "count the footnotes and keep anybody who passes an arbitrary number" — GNG does test the sources for factors like geographic range and the context of what they're covering the person for, and GNG does discount some types of sources (e.g. purely local coverage in purely local-interest contexts that aren't clearly passing SNG criteria) as worth less than other types of sources. So getting a city councillor over GNG is not just a matter of showing that some sources exist — it is a matter of showing that she has so much more, wider and/or deeper coverage, relative to other city councillors, that she has a credible claim to being much more special than most other city councillors, and that has not been demonstrated here. Bearcat (talk) 13:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Every single councillor that has ever existed does not get public acknowledgment from the governor of the state on their death, the notable ones do, however. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this entry is about a lot of trivial, I dont even know what to say cause I am not sure I would even call them events. Wikipedia is not a gravestone hosting platform for people who were not notable. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 14:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails WP:NPOL as historically interpreted at AFD. Coverage is routine local news announcing retirements and an obituary. There is nothing in these announcements themselves acknowledging any accomplishments out of the ordinary or suggesting the subject deserves an encyclopedic entry. Politicians at the municipal level of minor cities are generally not notable unless they become significant for something other than what is typical for a municipal civil servant.4meter4 (talk) 02:53, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep since meeting the WP:GNG. gidonb (talk) 13:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. I saw in the article reliable sources with significant coverage from Valenti: NY Times, New Jersey Globe, Courier News and Home News Tribune. There is no territorial limit for notability. It meets WP:GNG. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The scope and breadth of sources about the article's subject from reliable and verifiable sources meets the notability standard as routinely applied. Alansohn (talk) 16:15, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Karan Sandhawalia

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  • Per WP:GNG, subject is clearly not notable enough to deserve any space on Wikipedia. Eatcha 09:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Parimelazhagan Thangaraj

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Per WP:GNG, subject is clearly not notable enough to deserve any space on Wikipedia. And too many primary sources used + facebook is not reliable. -- Eatcha 09:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - it seems as there is almost 2000 mentioning of him on Google scholar search. Any thought from your WP:BEFORE? Kolma8 (talk) 14:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    As per the Wikipedia requirements, the information from JSTOR, newspapers, and books were added. The contents are re-edited and modified. The information are linked with external websites. Subject is deserve space on Wikipedia, because he is a well known Professor who contributed so many research articles and books to the research communities. Indian Scientists (talk) 15:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete this is WP:TOOSOON, he does not pass WP:NPROF#1 (yet). In a high citation field, 2000 citations is not a lot. It is not clear how "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." -- his two most cited works concern extraction methods of metabolits on certain plants, how does performing an acetone extraction on a plant and measuring several properties of it amount to a major "significant impact"? I think the "Research projects and Patents" section says it all. The only argument I can muster is that we have kept similarly weak cases recently. --hroest 16:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. So, this was a really tough citation metrics project: most of the Indian coauthors (and the subject himself) are indexed under multiple identities on Scopus, including inverted name order (e.g. "Parimelazhagan Thangaraj" also appears under "Thangaraj Parimelazhagan"), and Scopus has an even worse time with his Brazilian coauthors (who have names like "Eloísa Portugal Barros Silva Soares de Souza, where "Eloísa" + any combination of the last four names can show up as a separate entry), so I've been going through and manually merging these people and recalculating h-indices. After doing this for his first 40 coauthors (with ≥5 pubs), Dr. Thangaraj/Parimelazhagan is looking around average (and well above the median) for his field, but I still have another 70 people to address so this will likely change. All this is just to say that his GS citations may be similarly affected. On the other hand, he (and his coauthors) publish a lot in what may be WP:FRINGE journals, which shouldn't count towards notability, so this will probably be a very messy AfD overall. JoelleJay (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indian Scientists thanks for your perspective, however the argument was not about high/low impact factor but whether this researcher is above-average in his field and on top of that I made a comment about WP:FRINGE. You can publish in low impact factor journals but if your research is important, it will generally get cited a lot and this will show up in your citation metrics. Also, many high quality journals have mechanism to reduce APC for lower income countries or waive them as in the example of Nature Communications. Furthermore, while it is helpful to know that he contributed to education of Tamil people, however the question here based on WP:NPROF#1 is whether "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." This is not about whether he "deserves" to be on Wikipedia, but rather whether he is notable enough to pass either WP:NPROF or WP:GNG. --hroest 14:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete we have a duty to our readers to consider how highly regarded and impactful the place someone publishes is. Passing notability guidelines for academics is not just publishing a certain amount. This guy does not pass the actual inclusion criteria at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't see how membership and awards from provincial organizations merits passing the prof test. Bearian (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Draftify. (non-admin closure)The Aafī (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Atika Farooqui

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Per WP:GNG, subject is clearly not notable enough to deserve any space on Wikipedia. Some sources are unreliable and others are about completely different issues. -- Eatcha 09:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Atika is prominent TV Anchor, celebrity talk show host, Entertainment editor, poet, producer, Creative writer, Voice over artist since 2003. She has represented India in 43rd session of the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva in 2020. Atika has worked with stalwarts of media, like Vir Sanghvi, Uday Shankar, Raghav Bahl, Rajdeep Sardesai and Raj Nayak of Colors. She was also anchor in shows like Saas Bahu aur Saazish in 2005.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/brunch/five-movies-to-make-your-soul-happy/story-zyXfqlxQP5eOHHqBk5XDuM.html
https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/metro/lucknow/development/atika-will-represent-the-country-in-the-world-parliament/articleshow/74309406.cms
https://www.amarujala.com/world/this-indian-muslim-woman-gave-a-befitting-reply-to-the-countries-who-questioned-caa-in-the-unhrc
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Mullins (entrepreneur)

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I don't see evidence that this person meets WP:GNG. Most of the sources cited in the article are either interviews or only mention him in passing, and I couldn't find other significant coverage. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeevan Kumar (actor)

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Per WP:GNG, he is clearly not notable enough to deserve any space on Wikipedia. -- Eatcha 09:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Archana Singh Rajput

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Per WP:GNG, she is clearly IMO, not notable enough to deserve any space on Wikipedia. Interviews on some news sites is not enough. -- Eatcha 08:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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'Delete: Link Analysis

1. http://www.uniindia.com/~/archana-rajput-comes-up-with-new-album-bheegi-raaton-mein/India/news/2145356.html This is unreliable.

2. https://www.bhaskarlive.in/bahu-humari-rajni-kant-actress-archana-singh-set-for-telugu-film-debut/ This is not independent, IANS is PR Agency

3. https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/amp/bahu-humari-rajni-kant-actress-archana-singh-set-for-telugu-film-debut/1815890, again IANS

4. https://www.orissapost.com/tv-actress-archana-singh-rajput-set-for-telugu-film-debut/, again IANS

5. https://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-films-working-well-for-this-up-girl/story-AQwK1tBaNGkwWpwxEAc83I.html Good link, but no point just an interview

6. https://www.news18.com/amp/news/movies/bahu-humari-rajni-kant-actress-archana-singh-set-for-telugu-film-debut-2594553.html again IANS

7. https://www.cinestaan.com/articles/2020/apr/29/25479 Can't say if reliable or not also this seems to again non-independent

8. http://www.radioandmusic.com/entertainment/editorial/news/200902-telugu-actress-archana-singh-rajput-comes not reliable

9. https://www.indulgexpress.com/entertainment/celebs/2020/sep/02/telegu-actor-archana-singh-rajput-comes-up-with-her-new-album--featuring-aamir-shaikh-27818.html not reliable Sonofstar (talk) 17:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify. Randykitty (talk) 17:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

T. Geenakumari

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Does not satisfy WP:GNG or the more specific WP:NPOL. No RS with a As part of WP:BEFORE, I have looked at the sources presented in the previous AFD and they do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV. The book written by the subject has no substantial English reviews to verify whether they can be classified as an author. If someone wants to improve the article per WP:HEY I'll withdraw my nomination. Vikram Vincent 07:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1. Yes, she represented the two women who entered the Sabrimala temple but that in itself does not make a lawyer notable. However, it might be a case of BLP1E for the woman entering the temple though that would be a digression for this subject.
2. The positions in SFI are not inherently notable in themself even if it were in Kerala. SFI has units in all States and there are women office-bearers in each of those units.
3. The role of an activist is not brought out clearly through SIGCOV either in part or taking all the sources together.
4. Subject is a local politician without SIGCOV and hence fails WP:POLOUTCOMES.
5. Book by subject hasn't received substantial reviews nor any notable literary award.
By all these criteria, the subject fails notability. Vikram Vincent 08:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete No significant accomplishments, achievements, or media attention. Just looks like a short resume which states basic facts. Yinglong999 (talk) 07:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - the first AfD of this article just closed by @Sandstein: as KEEP 20 days ago (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/T._Geenakumari). We don't need to keep beating a horse until it dead. Respect time of other contributors. Kolma8 (talk) 14:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Kolma8 The close of the last AFD was 11:31, 7 March 2020. A whole year has passed with no improvement. Vikram Vincent 16:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • ok then... 20 days + 1 year. I thought I was just partaking in this AfD. I guess it was something similar. Thanks for clarifying. Kolma8 (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Draftify per Vikram Vincent, Beccaynr (talk) 17:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC) per WP:BASIC, WP:NEXIST, and WP:HEY - as this article expands, it appears there are clusters of coverage about various aspects of her work, and not always available in online English-language sources. For example, there appear to be more sources available about her SFI activism, because she became prominent and featured in newspapers in 1994. There also is some coverage of her work with the Kerala State Women's Development Corporation, and more substantial coverage of her work as a lawyer, including her practice focus on family law (where she has been quoted as an expert by independent and reliable sources), and her involvement in part of the Sabarimala temple cases, which picked up coverage over time. In addition, she recently was noted as involved in a high-profile case as a prosecutor. Beccaynr (talk) 19:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. In reviewing the sources presented both in the article and in the first AFD, there is only one source with significant coverage of T. Geenakumari, the article by Biju, K G in Malaysian. All of the other references are merely trivial mentions of the subject. For example, the Singh, Kriti (2013). Separated and Divorced Women in India:Economic Rights and Entitlements. Sage Publications. merely mentions Geenakumari in passing within a footnote. The recent additions of Beccaynr are not any better, with only passing mentions of Geenakumaru or routine coverage of court cases without anything other than a name drop of Geenakumari. We need something more substantial that is about her directly and not just mentioning her in passing. With all due respect to the keep voters, could you please list the sources here which display significant coverage, because I am just not seeing anything other than this one source.4meter4 (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This does not appear to be a footnote, nor a passing or trivial mention, but instead quotes her as an attorney with a practice that includes a focus on family law, for her expertise:
Singh, Kriti (2013). Separated and Divorced Women in India:Economic Rights and Entitlements. Sage Publications.

Advocate Geena Kumari, a family lawyer from Kerala discussed4 how women in Kerala suffered domestic violence and dowry-related harassment. She said that a lot of deserted women in Kerala do not want to actually say that they are single and wear the mangalsutra and put sindhur (jewellery and red vermilion on the forehead worn by married woman) so that they are socially accepted. She said that the courts were not accessible to everyone because family courts were only located in district headquarters and low income women could not spend the money to reach them or hire a lawyer. She said that the procedure also took a long time and that was why people normally went to the court as a last resort. She pointed out that to get maintenance women had to prove not only the income of the husband but also that they were living separately for some valid reason. She said that the courts are gender biased and women are frequently told to reconcile and live with their husbands. She said that the maintenance that is awarded is often not even 5 per cent of their spouses’ income, particularly in cases where the male spouse has a high income. She also commented on how difficult it was to execute maintenance orders. According to her, in Kerala the dowry system was pervasive and people gave huge amounts and even property as dowry.

Similarly, she is quoted for her expert opinion as an attorney here:

[...] “Majority of the cases sprout from the problems of adjustment between partners. There is an increasing trend in the marriages from 2002 for divorce,” says T Geena Kumari, a counsel who specialises in family cases. She points to ‘adjustment problems’, with single children and the couples’ parental interference for the increase in number of cases. [...] “The rate of dowry is high in the southern districts. There are instances where the husband asks for more dowry after the birth of a girl. There are many cases of the husband and his family demanding more dowry after the marriage of the wife’s sister by comparing the amount,” says Geena. [...] The relationship between husband and wife also gets strained owing to the modern modes of social networking. “Most of the relationships between married men and women start off as mere friendship. But they end up in extra-marital relationships, if they are suffering from a bad marriage. Mobile phones and Internet chatting form a smooth medium for the marriages to rock as they offer more chances to meet and share their feelings than before,” says Geena. The 099 list some more factors for the increasing number of divorce cases.[...]

And here:

The stigma associated with single women, the paltry amount in alimony, expenses incurred during trials, "class and gender bias" among lawyers are some of the problems that were raised during the course of the seminar.

"Let's take the case of Kerala which has the highest women literacy rate, but even this state is not spared of violence, crime and discrimination against women," said Geena Kumari, a lawyer practising in the Kerala High Court.

Women often feel that they are doubly harassed, first by their husband and marital families and then by the police and lawyers they approach for help, she said.

"Women most often are unaware that they are entitled to maintenance, have no idea how much their husbands earn, or even where they work, and are unable to provide their income proof in order to ask for maintenance," Kumari said.

"These are the least of their problems. In addition, they have to carry the stigma of being a single woman, go through the cumbersome judicial process, try to meet the expenses for each hearing and the end of all this make-do with the meagre alimony they get which can be as low as Rs 500 per month," she said.

Beccaynr (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Opps. I confused my sources, I meant the footnote on page 32 of the Poverty, Women and Capability study as the footnote example. Thank you Beccaynr for catching my error. That said, expert opinion quotes like these are not considered substantial coverage at AFD. The kinds of sources we are looking for at AFD are ones in which Geenakumari is the main subject being discussed, not her opinion as a lawyer which is about something other than her. Can you provide evidence where Geenakumari is the main subject of the article or study? Perhaps something about her work as a lawyer in general, or positioning her work as exceptional within her field? Please remember, that routine coverage of an individual court cases or expert opinions in a publications are not evidence of notability. Otherwise we would have tens of thousands of articles on average lawyers doing routine interviews.4meter4 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Cheers, and it looks like we agree that the Biju, K G article in Malayalam is significant and in-depth, and I also think it supports WP:BASIC notability that is sufficient for the article (due to the content, commentary, and documentation that other news sources exist), in light of the additional sources since then that help show Geenakumari did not otherwise remain low-profile, so this is not WP:BLP1E. For example, in the article, the Google Translate version of the lede is:

November 25, 1994. The day when Koothuparamba went down in history as a river of blood. As a warning of the impending police terror, there was a picture on the front page of the Malayalam newspapers that morning. A picture of a girl with her head cut off and bleeding during police brutality. Her name is T. Geenakumari. At that time he was the State Joint Secretary of SFI. Geena may be the first woman comrade to call on Kerala through a front page newsreel that such blood-soaked struggle is not unique to male comrades. Today she is a lawyer. Additional Govt. Pleader and Public Prosecutor. Lawyer defending murder and rape cases. [...]

And there is more in that article, including about her incarceration for twelve days, although it is not clear if there is additional news coverage about that, or other aspects of her work as a student activist, but given her prominence in 1994, it seems possible. The article also appears to position her as exceptional as a lawyer, in what appears to be an exploration of the tension between her women's rights activism and her criminal defense work. I also disagree that it is routine coverage or a routine interview when she is quoted as an expert about her experience as an attorney; it appears to be secondary source opinion about her by the publication due to their consideration of her as an expert, and therefore contributes to her notability per WP:BASIC. Beccaynr (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Beccaynr, the general consensus of WP:BASIC or WP:GNG in AFD discussions on wikipedia is the "rule of 3" (ie multiple sources) that are substantial. Basically, we are looking for three sources which show significant coverage over time. The Malaysian article is more in-depth and its more personal, and it positions T. Geenakumari and her work at the center so it is significant. That's just one source towards BASIC, but does not establish BASIC on its own, because at least two other sources of that caliber are needed to meet BASIC. The interview quotes do not count towards BASIC, because professionals like doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. get routinely interviewed in the media in the course of their jobs. They may be expert enough to be quoted in an article, but that doesn't make them necessarily notable enough for an encyclopedia entry. (ie not all doctors, lawyers, etc quoted in the press as an expert opinion are exceptional doctors, lawyers, etc. who deserve an encyclopedia entry) WP:NOTNEWS is pretty clear on this. Likewise, being quoted in a few academic journals isn't likely to count towards notability either. When we look at quotes in research, as seen in Wikipedia:Notability (academics), we usually look for individuals widely cited in research in a particular field, which in this case would be at a minimum dozens of journal articles, and not just one or two. I hope this helps you understand what we are looking for at AFD. Best.4meter4 (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That source has images from what appear to be two newspapers from 1994 that feature her. And per WP:BASIC, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability [...], and I am suggesting that her notability appears to have been established based on coverage of her activism in 1994, including due to the 2017 coverage and commentary, and that the additional sources show that after this WP:NOTTEMPORARY notability, in the event that it appears WP:BLP1E, she has not otherwise been low-profile, having given interviews as an expert, and participating in the Economic Research Foundation, Economic Rights and Entitlements of Separated and Divorced Women, Report of Regional Seminar Proceedings (2008–2009) (New Delhi: ERF, 2010), 219, engaging in civic leadership documented by multiple news sources, and serving as a lawyer or advocate in high-profile cases. Also, per WP:CIVIL, I would appreciate it if we could focus on the article and the relevant policies and guidelines, thank you. Beccaynr (talk) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Beccaynr, I have not been uncivil. I have been courteous through this entire conversation. Please calm down. Unfortunately, I don't think we can count this article as more than one source because there is no publication information for those articles to cite and that assertion is speculative. Participating in the Economic Research Foundation, Economic Rights and Entitlements of Separated and Divorced Women, Report of Regional Seminar Proceedings (2008–2009) (New Delhi: ERF, 2010), and being a civic leader is also not inherently notable. Participating as a lawyer in cases covered in the news does not make a lawyer notable. Those are all wonderful professional achievements but wikipedia is not a CV. WP:SIGCOV requires three sources where the subject of the article is the main topic (or at least significantly featured beyond the routine) of the source. The evidence simply does not satisfy that requirement.4meter4 (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The 2017 article quoted above states that her picture was "on the front page of the Malayalam newspapers that morning" (November 25, 1994), and includes images of what appear to be at least two of those newspapers, so I do not think it is speculative, given the precise information about the publication and the images, and the front page placement appears to be 'significantly featured beyond the routine.' It appears there are three sources for her initial notability as a student activist (at least two from 1994 and one from 2017), and there are several ways she has additional notability as a lawyer, because the 2017 source also finds her exceptional in the context of her women's rights activism and legal practice, and there are multiple independent and reliable sources that find her noteworthy as an expert, and multiple independent and reliable sources find her noteworthy for her participation in high-profile cases. Beccaynr (talk) 01:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that there are multiple independent reliable sources, but the coverage is trivial and routine and not significant in all but one of those sources. They only prove her to be a reliable family lawyer, not a significant lawyer in her field (which would require analysis of her career in relation to her peers or within her field). Meer quotes don’t provide a significant claim to notability, nor does listing a host of professional activities that don’t provide the level of context required for notability in an encyclopedia. The Malaysian article does make a good claim to notability. If you are able to actually locate the 1994 article so we can read and evaluate the content, that would help us a long way into proving WP:SIGCOV. Just proving the existence of an article without actually getting to read and evaluate content (no matter where it’s location in the paper) is not enough.4meter4 (talk) 01:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment WP:HEY has not been satisfied even with the current set of improvements. It is just a set of minor comments and minor professional and political positions. Taking all the sources into consideration we do not have WP:SIGCOV This does not clear WP:GNG yet. Vikram Vincent 03:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is important to point out that both Shuchi Anand and Sindhu Joy AFDs were closed as delete though they both had a higher level of sourcing. This bio does not anywhere close. Vikram Vincent 04:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment And Vageshwari Deswal closed as keep, without ever having been a notable political figure. Geenakumari has also written legal commentary, and two links are included in the External links section of the article. Beccaynr (talk) 06:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete: I also went through the previous AFD and found that the subject does not have enough sigcov. Being mentioned in some reliable sources does not make anyone notable. Even if we combine all the sources provided by Beccanyr and others (in previous AFD) to claim sigcov, it is not sufficient for sigcov. I also agree with the point shown by 4meter4 that wikipedia is not a CV.

  • Draftify: As per Beccanyr's request.Kichu🐘 Need any help? 17:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: subject of article fails to meet GNG criteria. No SIGCOV is present either. --RaviC (talk) 11:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I would support a draftify, as I believe its possible that more significant coverage could be located and assessed (per Beccaynr's identification of that 1994 article) as a possible source. With one excellent reference already in evidence, I'm hopeful that editors may be able to locate, read, and document additional sources that support WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I also like to support draftify because I believe that Beccaynr will do their best to rescue this article like they always do. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 17:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: per User:Beccanyr's request. VocalIndia (talk) 05:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:37, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

G. S. Paramasivaiah

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It is tagged as a scientist but most of the content is about his contribution in finding the Karnataka University. He was part of some committed but it's not clear if he was appointed at any top administrative position. Nothing significant on Google Scholar [15] or at Google Books [16]. Fails WP:Academic and WP:GNG. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 06:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nitin Koli

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Listed in the India Book of Records but otherwise no notability. Does not seem to have substantial coverage in any reliable source. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Fails WP:GNG. Meets the "What WP:BLP1E is not" criteria which should be avoided.
  • Delete Available number of sources fails in GNG. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 17:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete – per WP:G5. It was created by a sockpuppet. BTW, whole article is based on WP:UGC & dubious-looking sites. There is no coverage about him in reliable sources. So it fails WP:GNG as well. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete - one of many articles created by a sockfarm. Onel5969 TT me 15:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per others.--vote by Alcremie (talk) 06:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Any editor who is interested may begin a new Draft:Real estate in South Korea, but consensus is that the content as it exists would be a net negative as a starting point for an article. BD2412 T 02:16, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Real estate in South Korea

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The topic is notable but this pretty much unreferenced article is a WP:TNTable mess. The first section is pretty much a summary of 'geography of South Korea' with maybe one unreferenced sentence about retail market (that the apartment prices are high in the Gangnam district). Other subsections don't even contain any relevant information about retail market, housing, etc. The last part of the article is an unreferenced summary of the Jeonse concept, certainly important and relevant, but we already have a good subarticle for this. There is nothing to salvage here - blow it up so someone can restart it from scratch one day. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep If the nay-sayers think they can do better then they should present their drafts and explain why they can't just overwite the existing text. Deletion is neither necessary nor helpful when making such rewrites because blanking the existing text can be done with just two key strokes by any editor. And, when you actually rewrite articles, as I have done several times, you don't want to delete everything as the previous draft will usually contain useful boilerplate, headings and keywords.
The topic is, of course, notable. For example, see this article which quotes "Kwon Dae-jung, professor of real estate studies at Myongji University", showing that this is an academic subject. Our policies WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE therefore apply: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." WP:TNT and WP:NUKEIT are not policies and never have been so it's misleading to suggest that they are. They don't even apply because that page plainly says, in a nutshell, that it's for "For pages that are beyond fixing". The page is obviously not beyond fixing and the nominator does not appear to have made any attempt to do so. See WP:SOFIXIT. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: This is a tough one. One thing I've proposed before is that if someone suggests deleting an article via WP:TNT, they should have a draft of the new article in a ready enough shape to present as "yes, this is not just a backdoor perma-deletion". The article in its current state is frankly embarrassing, and while I concur with Andrew that article rewrites don't necessarily demand deletion (and the people who do for a rewrite often seem to be rather more focused on the deletion than the rewrite), I have to say it's much, much easier to do so somewhere that isn't mainspace. I'm honestly unsure that "beyond fixing" doesn't apply here. And yet -- for an unambiguously notable topic but one outside the range of most enwiki knowledge, I'm not going to trust anyone saying TNT until they can show me the rewrite. In lieu of that, while I have some skepticism about draftspace, I think the best solution for now is to move the article somewhere it can focus on being rewritten. (Alternatively, if an individual wants to take responsibility, it can be moved to their userspace.) Vaticidalprophet 14:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Vaticidalprophet, The thing is, badly written articles discourage most editors from improving it. In fact, I am assigning students to write on Wikipedia and I had one group interested in this topic - but they decided that dealing with a rewrite is too much of an issue and chose a different project. If this is deleted and a proper red link, I can add it to my list of topics I recommend students to write about, but I don't feel like adding the blue link to this mess is worth the trouble explaining to them that "actually, it's ok if you blank all the garbage there and start from scratch", not too mention that if this is done, than the past history is irrelevant, as my students would be the ones to create the article, and past authors of this would be falsely credited for contributing to content that all needs removing anyway. Lastly, draftification suggests the old content is reusable - but it is not, it's badly written OR. The topic is notable, but there is nothing to reuse/rescue here IMHO. Hence I stand by my TNT proposal. PS. I find the topic interesting enough I could stub it myself, but I am not willing to do so while the current mess occupies the space; also because it makes any expansion for DYK too difficult and DYK ineligibility decreases my motivation to contribute any serious effort to this. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I think you must have misunderstood me. I think this should be rewritten from scratch. I have experience rewriting articles, and I know it's harder than starting from zero. That's exactly why I think draftification (or userfication if an individual wants it) is the correct route. That allows the article to be totally disposed of, and the content redone. I don't trust the concept of total-deletion TNT because, in the absence of someone actually having a new version, it simply can't be confirmed that there's actually going to be a new article. (And if someone does have a new version -- why not just merge it in?) However, draftifying the article allows for it to be worked on in ways that would be impossible in mainspace because they would involve the article having empty sections or incomplete information for extended periods, which is necessary in a radical rewrite. I've done exactly this, writing userspace versions of substandard extant articles and replacing+histmerging them when I'm done, and you or your students could do that too. (With regards to DYK eligiblity...GA isn't a high bar for a competent writer.) Vaticidalprophet 03:25, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vaticidalprophet, That's mostly an aside to the AfD, but having written dozens of GA, the effort is much more than for a start-class DYK (which I wrote over 1k of). And a topic like 'real estate in Foo country', well, a GA on this would be quite a lot of effort - and probably hard to do without fluency in Korean. I can DYK this, I don't think I could GA this given my Korean is very basic. Anyway, back to the main issue at hand, I have no objection to draftication but let's face it - the draft will be abandoned and then speedied. Unless someone steps in and says they want to adopt it and rewrite, which I doubt they'll (as if anything can be done here, it needs to be done from scratch). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:TNT. The topic is fine, but there's practically nothing worth salvaging here. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. The article is poorly written and has barely any sources. Recent issues are not even mentioned. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 03:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:47, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sree Krishna Swami Temple, Kotayilkovilakam

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No independent reliable sources found on doing WP:Before. Fails GNG Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Can add more details to Sree Krishna Swami Temple, Kotayilkovilakam. Rakeshkr2 (talk) 07:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DDSHS Karimpadam

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No independent sources found on doing a WP:Before. Fails GNG Kichu🐘 Need any help? 04:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete There isn't even the usual trivial, run of the mill sources out there that exist for a lot of schools. Let alone multiple reliable in-depth ones. Plus, there's not even a Malaysian language article about it and it's written like an advert. So, I don't really see anything worth keeping the article over. Unless someone can find some sources that I might have missed. If so I'm more then willing to change my vote. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I thought Malaysian sounded wrong ;) --Adamant1 (talk) 02:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 22:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Louiche Mayorga

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None of the sources are reliable. Fails WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Magdalena Trzebiatowska

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Take 2. In 2007 the deletion was closed as keep with arguments 'her work was featured in major exhibitions'. The article hasn't improved since. All those claims of exhibitions are unreferenced, and in all those years, only SEETAL got an article, so at best it seems her work was featured in a single larger (hardly famous and of borderline notability) exhibition. No evidence of awards on in-depth coverage, in fact, I struggle to even find passing coverage or her work. Hence, "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar."

The article was also just nominated for deletion on pl wikli pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:03:26:Magdalena Trzebiatowska (might be worth monitoring to see if Polish editors find better sources).

PS. Also, possible COI: the article's SPA creator also uploaded File:Trzebiatowska art 2.JPG claiming it as their own work. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I agree. I can't seem to find anything in a search. (Also, the first AfD was in 2007, and it seems like they were applying a pretty loose set of rules, as compared to what we decide by these days.) --- Possibly (talk) 05:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I failed to find any coverage on her. The facts that were brought up in 2007 in favor of keeping the article don't seem to satisfy notability guidelines now. No coverage - no article in this case.Less Unless (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. Daniel (talk) 22:46, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brunton Auto

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this company, nor its car, the Brunton Stalker for which this is also the AfD. I was going to redirect the company to its product and then a little digging provided no evidence of available sourcing on which to improve the Stalker article. StarM 02:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brunton Stalker (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Transformatix

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If this band exists, they don't meet notability. I couldn't find anything beyond mirror sites and this blog post,(https://christiantapeunderground.wordpress.com/2018/03/16/looking-for-info-transformatix-transformatix/) which actually says: "The only information about this band is a Wikipedia entry – but no one seems to remember them."

The article name checks clubs that never existed, promoters that I can't find a trace of, and states that the band played at Passim, a roots/folks venue that would have been very unlikely to book a punk band.

I think this article is a hoax that's been live since 2008. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. JSFarman (talk) 01:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nominator. I can't imagine why, or even how, anyone ever wrote this unless they were in the band. Especially because this is the only thing the original author ever wrote on Wikipedia. This is WP:NOTWEBHOST for nothing. — Smuckola(talk) 03:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. If there are no mentions outside of mirror sites and sources only citing Wikipedia, this is probably a hoax. Cupcake547 (talk) 15:07, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Pure hoax. No evidence of notability. Created by a SPA. Don't know how this has managed to stay in the shadows for 12 years. Everything that is wrong with an article is right here. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Even if the assertions were true, and even if the article was sourced, this would still fail all the relevant notability criteria just as hard as someone belly flopping from the summit of the Pru. And, of course, they're not: as the nom says, some of those clubs and people never existed, and anyone knowing anything at all about the Boston music scene knows the assertion that Passim or Storyville would EVER book a punk group is absurd. Ravenswing 21:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Better late than never. Article is either a complete hoax, or written by a middle-aged Dave who fantasizes that his college basement band has a cult following decades after the band accomplished nothing. My findings are the same as everyone above on non-existent venues, desperate leaps of notability (e.g. Dave knowing someone who later edited a defunct magazine), and absence of ANY reliable coverage. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete: hoax.--vote by Alcremie (talk) 06:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 11:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond the Body: An Investigation of Out-of-the-Body Experiences

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Fails WP:NBOOK. Mikeblas (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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