Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullah Seja

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 13:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Seja

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This doesn't seem to meet WP:DIRECTOR or even WP:ANYBIO. A Google search doesn't turn up anything that aligns with WP:GNG. It's likely a case of UPE —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable producer [1] [2], [3] who has produced more than 100 drama serials. Easily passes producer criteria of wikipidea. Few of his work are listed with reliable source attached, proving his production for that project.

Baddua [4]
Ijazat [5]
Rukhsati [6]
Sukoon [7]
Angna [8]
Bay Dardi [9]
Hum Na Thay Be Mehar [10]
Ghisi Piti Mohabbat [11] [12][13]
Noor ul Ain [14] Libraa2019 (talk) 16:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, All these articles you mentioned (except Noor ul Ain) were created by blocked and unblocked UPEs. I doubt they meet the WP:N - But I'll need to examine each and every drama/TV show they've produced to determine if they meet the significance requirement as outlined in WP:PRODUCER. You mentioned they produced 100+ shows, but you only provided around 10. Where are the rest? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Including Noor ul Ain because it was not created by L293D (talk · contribs) as I thought initially. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I conducted a quick Google search to find coverage about these films sand TV dramas you mentioned, but I couldn't find significant / in-depth coverage about them. I just found some ROTM coverage and this indicates that these films/dramas may not be significant work. Therefore, the subject fails to meet WP:PRODUCER or WP:DIRECTOR. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Note: SPI filed—Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        And i have provided rationale to prove my point at SPI Libraa2019 (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As per nominator's request, presenting some of the other projects, Seja produced.

Baby Baji [15]

Rasm E Duniya [16]

Haiwan [17]

Beti [18]

Ghairat [19]

Pehli Si Muhabbat [20]

Koi Chand Rakh [21]

Log Kya Kahenge (2020 TV series) [22]

Hangor S-131 [23]

Fraud (TV series) [24]

Kaisi Teri Khudgarzi [25]

Barfi Laddu [26]

Berukhi

Bhool

Qurban

Kaisa Hai Naseeban

Mere Khudaya

Sannata

Mere Harjai

Dareecha

Note Nominator is unable to understand any rationale and nominating all articles created by me despite meeting criteria of wikipidea. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, Hold on a sec—what I'm seeing is that he's just a producer of some of the shows you mentioned above because he has COO position in a company called iDream Entertainment - the actual production company behind these TV shows. Also, I did a quick Google search, and most of these TV shows aren't noteworthy because they fail GNG on their own. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can confirm from the sources i mentioned above, he is the producer in Idream Entertainment. All the attached sources are claiming that he produced these shows. They did'nt claim that iDream Entertainment produced these shows or that he is the COO. Another thing to note that you said most of the shows aren't noteworthy which is your assumption as majority of his projects received significant coverage including but not limited to Baby Baji, Pehli Si Muhabbat, Ghisi Piti Mohabbat, Noor ul Ain, Rasm E Duniya, Beti Libraa2019 (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - And Saqib, as i said in another AFD discussion, you have gone too far in personal disagreements, now you are nominating his projects for deletion [27] [28], adding notability tag to his projects [29] [30] and gaming the system (WP:Gaming) that he is not notable. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per source presented above. At least per WP:BASICOtbest (talk) 18:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Otbest, I'm curious how a user who just began editing 2 days ago is already participating in AfDs. BTW, please avoid WP:ATA. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I went through a handful or so of the sources presented above and they are all brief mentions or based on what Seja says. Happy to reconsider if WP:THREE are presented (ping me). S0091 (talk) 16:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I respect your opinion but did you visit the sources which i attached against each of his productions. All sources confirm his production in these projects and he can easily passes per WP:BASIC as produced more than 100 notable TV series. Libraa2019 (talk) 10:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  For WP:BASIC you need sources with enough depth of coverage about him that one can write a biography. That's not the case here. S0091 (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - He produced more than 100 television shows (Many of them are listed above with reliable source). His projects received signifacant coverage in respected sources mentioned above. Can't we assume article's notability on the basis of more than 100 series he produced? Libraa2019 (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are there any sources that talk about his significance? Also, neither of the sources currently cited in the article state he has produced 100 series so right now that fails verification. S0091 (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - There is one source that claim this [31] but its a primary source thats why i haven't provided it earlier. Also please check this [32] i mentioned almost 29 serials in this AFD which Seja produced and mentioned more than 20 serials with reliable sources. These sources claim Seja as a producer of these projects. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The Nettv4u is not a reliable source as anyone can make a profile and the second is an interview with Ahsan Khan where he discusses making Sukoon so is also a primary source and not independent given Khan is an associate. It can be used to support what Khan said about Seja but nothing more. Also, this is not about proving he produced several TV shows. That is established but without sources that directly discuss Seja's significance, it does not matter if he produced one or one thousand. He is still young so this might be a case of WP:TOOSOON where sources have not written much about him yet but may in the coming years. See also WP:Before they were notable. S0091 (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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