User talk:SimonTrew

I didn;t know you translated Chinese. Do you ever look in at WP:PNT, I can't remember ever seeing you there? Si Trew (talk) 06:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I rarely go there, but I quite like the new translation tool that you can enable in the "Beta" section, I think I have talked to you about doing this not so long ago, if there are any problems at RfD relating to Chinese words, I'm the one to go to. Remember that. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, a lot of peopole really do not like the new translation tool, or rather, the results of it when monolingual people assume that the results are just wonderful: interesting discussion on WT:PNT about that. Of course as someone who knows his way around a language it is probably quite handy but I always find it easier just to edit everything longhand (but not much comes up in French and even less in Hungarian, I will do a Spanish one on request but only if it is really a straight-facts article, geo articles etc, because any kind of subtlety or expert opinion with RS etc I would be out of my depth translating that kind of thing). I must remember that about the Chinese, yes, thanks. And in return, if you have any problems with people talking bollox then you know who is the best at that, yours faithfully Si Trew (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC) _{I presume I'm allowed to personally attack myself? :)}[reply]

One thing over in the discussion at WT:PNT (I was kinda pinged for my comments as I guess I am just about regular enough obviously it depends what turns up whether I do any work from there) is that I said that quite often I just do the "scaffolding" and let other people then fill in the meat of the text. (That's abbreviating my own rationale enormously). I don't just do that but I do tend to find that some editors are scared of all the templates etc and categorising, translating any wikilinks, translating the titles of sources, generally Wikifying the text even if I don't do much on the translation of the text, I tend to find then other editors once the "scaffolding" is in place are often quite eager to translate the text. One of the criticisms of the translation tool is that, at least on the English Wikipedia, it produces absolutely diabolical Wikimarkup with loads of span tags and things like that. I've not used it but have seen its results. For you if you're using it to translate into Chinese I can understand, because you know what you're doing, that you could find it useful as machine assisted translation etc, the danger lies with people who do not know what they're doing. I'm sure your views over at WT:PNT would be greatly appreciated. I just always find it easier to edit in the boring old text editor and do it all manually I just prefer to see the source character-for-character, but that is just me, and it would be a poorer Wikipedia if editors all did it my way. Si Trew (talk) 06:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do actually have to consult the Google Translator quite frequently as I am more fluent in English, but everyone knows translating full sentences with it is a bad idea, so if I come across a word or phrase that I am not familiar with, I would have to consult it, its no big deal, really, though, as I am quite familiar with Chinese grammar. What I hate (no, don't report me for this) is that all the language versions of Wikipedia have different policies, all language versions should follow the same policies and guidelines as the English Wikipedia. Over on zh.wp, if notability issues are not resolved within 30 days, the article will automatically be AfDed. (I got a message about that a day ago).- Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:55, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The danger seems to lie mostly in that when you say "everyone knows", yes, everyone who has ever made any serious effort at translation knows about things like false friends and all that jazz, but some editors who were using this to import articles into EN:WP were entirely monolingual, usually not in English but in the source language and had no idea what gobledegook was coming out the back end, and the EN:WP consensus seems to be that WMF were rather encouraging the idea that this amazing new tool will magically translate everything perfectly into The King's English. Si Trew (talk) 07:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just found another bug with the translation tool, it retains the categories such as Category:Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata once I have submitted it, see [1]. But hey, I would still recommend it as I still have faith in it. People importing articles the way you describe it is certainly a bad idea IMO, I have found several examples during my time at NPP, and lots of them just copy articles from foreign wikis (WP:A2) (zhwiki does not have that criterion, which brings me back to the point that I wish all language editions followed the same policies as enwiki). - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:50, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if you find it useful I ain't gonna stop you. I amjust way to old-fashioned for all this newfangled technology: I still have to get up and walk three feet to the telly when I want to change channel. Or would that be {{convert|3|ft}}? I am wondering how the tool deals with things like needing to convert units, because it would be quite hard to automate sensibly. Does it kinda prompt if it sees something that looks like it is a measure? I can't really try out the tool for myself well at the moment because my keyboard bust as usual (my bad habit of smoking roll-up cigarettes and dropping the remains in the keyboard means I tend to get through one in about two months) so I have to get another, in the meantime I am on a little laptop - a very little laptop - so I don't really have the screen real estate to be able to do that kind of editing meaningfully. I can tie the lappy up to the main screen but that won't help cos its poor little graphics driver won't go higher than about 1024x768 anyway. It's usually just used to serve for internet telly but has been pressed into action. I should get some money today so that I can go and get another keyboard. All of 600 forints about $2 at the second hand shop but I am a bit strapped for cash at the moment, unexpected expenses from a death in the family. Si Trew (talk) 09:07, 7 == Should I not nominate more RfD's then? ==

Considering that it will "take you a while" to undo the nominations, I probably would be better off leaving that alone for the time being, I mean, you could've rolled back had I not nominated the last two. Sorry about that. --- Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 09:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead Champ I'm jsut clearing up me mess. Sorry about that... "personal" was a call about a new job as it happens, but me mum died recently went to UK for funeral on Monday so I tend to be more attentive on answering the phone than I usually would be, sorry to have left this in the middle. I'm withdrawing most as changed me mind but a few are worthy of RfD I think. Sorry for the mess. Si Trew (talk) 09:19, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

	Hello SimonTrew,
	I am sorry to hear about your loss at Rfd; what you wrote was really rather moving. My most sincere condolences. --Nevé–selbert 23:35, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My condolences too. It is good to see people using personal experience to enrich content discussions on Wikipedia and get to know other editors as people. Deryck C. 14:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

...is admin now! [2] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tavix. Also, non-sysops are generally allowed to perform "administrative" decisions, as long as one doesn't enact a decision that one doesn't have the technical permissions to perform (e.g. delete, move over redirect). Deryck C. 14:12, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

	remembrance
	Came across the news, sorry for your loss. This is a field of Virginia bluebells and it looked pretty and I thought maybe your mum liked the color blue. Shearonink (talk) 14:23, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• My condolences too, Simon. I can't fully understand what you're going through, of course, but my own "mum" hasn't been doing too well lately, and that's been hard enough for me. Please take care of yourself. --BDD (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Mine as well, Simon. Take care. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My condolences

My sincere condolences on your loss, Si. This is a cluster of myosotis, more commonly known as forget-me-nots, at least in North America. When I was very young my grandfather passed, and my mother purchased for me a book in which these flowers feature prominently as a symbol of remembrance. I hope you and your loved ones are finding peace through this difficult time. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if this was coincidence but I was fiddling around with some of the variations of redirects of Forget-me-Not and so on a few days ago. I did it under IP as I was just making minor edits and hadn't the will to battle RfD.

I have been going for a lot of job interviews and have had two job offers, I won't mention companies here but I start on Monday. So, four days to fix all the articles and redirects here at SiTrePedia as I won't have much time after. Thanks to you all for your messages, they mean a lot to me. Si Trew (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences. (Also wished to drop a courtesy note about this, just in case you might be interested.) 71.163.180.2 (talk) 19:22, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, SimonTrew. Am I as the proponent of the elimination allowed to vote? I see that the creator of the redirect has voted, so I guess I would also be allowed? Please let me know. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:55, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are allowed, @Rui Gabriel Correia: I was going to add to the RfD that, anyone can just overwrite the redirect with the article content, then it will just be closed at RfD as a procedural close (as no longer a redirect). WP:JUSTDOIT, in other words. Si Trew (talk) 14:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help, SimonTrew. I am the proponent, so I don't want to appear as if I am passionately determined to kill the redirect, so I'll just allow the process to run its course. But I have taken not of your suggestion and keep it in mind for a future case ( I am still learning — been here for ten years, but have not done much in terms of 'admin' edits). Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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