Talk:South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Proposed merge of Languages of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. While both articles already have a decent amount of content, the Languages article doesn't cite any sources and honestly better fits into South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (SGSSI) in a section called "Culture" or "Society." The current SGSSI article currently barely covers the livelihoods and identities of the islanders, with the History, Economy, and Government section providing the sole information about them. This merge would improve the coverage and comprehensiveness of the main article and replace the old article with a redirect to SGSSI. Cheers, Dan the Animator 01:43, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MacRusgail, Corvus13, JoeNMLC, PatLurcock, SG Unicorn, Roger 8 Roger, DuncanHill, NJRobbie, Sprucecopse, Megrogers, Ealdgyth, Jay D. Easy, Ssbbplayer, Rodney Baggins, Kwamikagami, Thryduulf, Hairy Dude, DocWatson42, Wee Curry Monster, Ryan shell, Kgrad, Maias, Apcbg, BuaidhQuite vivid blur, Nurg, DavidKingston, Pigsonthewing, PatLurcock, Citylover, and Ratzer: Pinging involved editors. Best, Dan the Animator 02:03, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't merge anything unsourced into here, which is that entire article. The article appears easily summarised as "Norwegians spoke Norwegian, Russians spoke Russian, Argentines spoke Spanish", which probably doesn't need to be said. There's some interesting notes about place names, but they are unsourced. CMD (talk) 02:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with CMD. Also, all I did was some relatively minor cleanup six years ago on the latter (this) article. I don't have much of an interest or investment in either article, but thank you for letting me know. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 02:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for commenting DocWatson42 and apologies for the bother: this was my first merger proposal so I wasn't sure who'd to ping (I tried to add editors with multiple edits or large edits but I likely might've put in additional editors accidentally).

Thanks CMD for the comment: I'll try searching for some sourcing for the settlement naming if I get the chance but I agree, most of the article content isn't very insightful. I was thinking when I saw it that the language content could be mostly condensed into a paragraph or two under a broader culture/society section in the main territory article which discusses the "culture" of the resident/native islanders (so a sentence about the various nationalities of the whalers and when they got introduced and/or disappeared from the islands, a few sentences about settlements named in the different languages, and other things named after each language). In any case, I'll start searching for some sources and try to condense the content within the current article.

Best, Dan the Animator 05:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Never even knew that article existed. I would suggest deletion as unsourced and clear WP:OR plus it doesn't appear to be linked to any other ie it is unused. WCM_email 07:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, deletion would work for me too. As a sidenote, I'll add some of the more useful content (settlement naming & some basic historic info) into my sandbox while I search for sources but in any case, the language article can be deleted. I'll keep the discussion open a bit longer so other editors can comment if they like and to see if there's a greater consensus to close this and AfD the original but feel free to close it yourself too if you think it's time. Best, Dan the Animator 07:37, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest you WP:PROD it after moving any material you think is relevant - be wary of the unsourced stuff. For example, Grytviken is Norwegian but I've seen Swedes adamantly assert it is Swedish. WCM_email 10:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you spend a bit of time sourcing what you can. When you've done as much of that as you reasonably can, merge the sourced stuff into the main article and then just redirect the languages article to the relevant section of the main one. There's no need for prod or AfD and it leaves the content available to find if someone else wants to try sourcing it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd take out anything notable, possibly the Scandinavian place names, source it and add it to the main article before deleting this article. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 18:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks WCM, Thryduulf and Roger 8 Roger for the comments! I've completely redone the article with nearly complete sourcing so feel free to take a look. I've left the content on the original article for now given it is a bit lengthy and it would be easier to look over and edit on the other article for now. Now that you mention it Thryduulf, I agree a PROD probably won't be necessary and a redirect would be adequate here. In any case, let me know y'all's thoughts on the newly rewritten content and whether its suitable for inclusion on this article. Best, Dan the Animator 18:53, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's some impressive work. I wouldn't use the term "islanders" given everyone everyone is transient, and the sentence "Many locations have alternative names in Spanish, such as Vindication Island, which is also known as "Isla Vindicación" is a bit of an odd one, but in principle I don't see why it wouldn't fit on this page somewhere if you want to merge it. CMD (talk) 01:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks CMD!!! For the edits, I replaced "islanders" with "residents" and removed the "Vindication Island" sentence since it doesn't really add much. I'll leave it as a separate article for a few more days in case there's any other feedback but feel free to merge it if you feel its ready. Best, Dan the Animator 19:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]