Talk:1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre

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Text and/or other creative content from this version of 1989 Tiananmen Square protests was copied or moved into Dissidents in the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Discussions: RM, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 → Tiananmen Square massacre, no consensus, 4 June 2011, discussion RM, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 → 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, not moved, 14 September 2012, discussion RM, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 → Tian'anmen Square protests of 1989, not moved, 26 August 2016, discussion RM, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 → Tiananmen Square Massacre, not moved, 14 March 2017, discussion RM, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 → 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, moved, 16 October 2018, discussion RM, 1989 Tiananmen Square protests → 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, not moved, 1 June 2019, discussion RM, 1989 Tiananmen Square protests → Tiananmen_Square_Massacre, duplicate request (not moved), 14 August 2019, discussion RM, 1989 Tiananmen Square protests → 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre, no consensus, 6 June 2021, discussion RM, 1989 Tiananmen Square protests → 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, moved, 8 September 2021, discussion

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Tagging @Atinoua and @Politixsperson

I am unable to edit this page myself due to the semi-protected status, but the 06:46 27 March edit by @Repertoire18 seems to be inappropriate for several reasons. The edit reads as follows and was added to the introduction:

"In the days prior to June 4, unarmed soldiers sent to clear the protests were attacked by civilians armed with Molotov cocktails and iron clubs, resulting in severe casualties, including soldiers who were hanged and burned such as Cui Guozheng."

First and most important issue is the factual inaccuracy. Cui Guozhen was killed on the morning of June 4, 1989, after the fighting had begun. This edit portrays him as an unarmed soldier killed prior to June 4, which is false.

Second, the sources provided are low quality and do not relate to the claim. Their first source points to this page https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2317,00.html, which appears to simply be a public forum and which also makes no mention of Cui Guozheng. The second source points to this article https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/_/tiananmen-square-at-25 which accurately describes that Cui Guozheng was a the name of a soldier killed during the conflict on June 3 - 4 according to state media, but this is at odds with the claim made by Repertoire18 that his death occurred in "the days prior to June 4" and the claim that he was unarmed.

Third, this edit seems to be placed here simply to provide justification for the PLA's actions on June 3-4.

A fair discussion of the violence against PLA soldiers should be welcomed, but it needs to be supported by proper sources, presented in an objective manner, and most importantly, be factually accurate. If someone with the ability to edit this page agrees, I'd be grateful if you could revert this edit. Trader347 (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree that this is a poor quality source. I've manually reverted the change. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 11:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone who knows more about the massacre please take a look at this recent edit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank_Man&diff=1227371937&oldid=1227325087

It obfuscates the fact that there was a massacre, but I don't know how to improve the wording. 133.32.217.18 (talk) 08:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some changes. Vacosea (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]